[Sw-l] S=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=ADmbolos_de_localiza=C3=A7=C3=A3o_?=exata

Wed Apr 28 15:08:55 UTC 2021

Thank you very much for your reply!

I am thinking of making some videos with written signs from ASL and Libras
using the exact location symbols to exemplify. I'll upload the private
videos to YouTube and consult with the signwriting list team. If everything
is correct, I will make them public.
Josenilson Mendes

Em ter., 27 de abr. de 2021 às 01:16, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Hello Josenilson Mendes,
>
> For the most part, your understanding of these symbols are correct and
> about as well as I understand them myself. I have never seen these symbols
> used in actual writing of signs; however, I can see them being used in
> SignSpelling which is used for sorting signs.
>
> They might be helpful and/or necessary to differentiate between different
> signs when the symbols are taken from the 3D writing and arranged into a 2D
> string for sorting. It might also be helpful for researchers to include
> spatial information to search across a database of signs.
>
> I have added some comments below so you know which symbols I am referring
> to. I hope this helps you understand these symbols even though I can’t
> think of any specific signs that use these symbols.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Valerie Sutton <
> 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> April 26, 2021
>
> Google Translation into English:
>
> We know that symbols of exact location are not commonly used, but they
> serve specific purposes for linguistic studies of sign languages. I wonder
> if there are any examples of using these exact location symbols in any sign
> language.
>
> We know that this refer to the wall plan:
>
> How could I use it to describe a signal? Can anyone show me an example?
> Would the central point of the octagon be at hip height?
>
>
> Yes, your understanding of these symbols see to be correct. These symbols
> would be like telling a location on a wall in front of the signer where the
> middle line is likely at the waist or hip height. My guess is that the
> first symbol is just a general height indicator of above the center of the
> body (or the hip as you stated). The black in the other symbols tell how
> much higher or lower from the center point the location is.
>
>
> We know that these refer to the ground plane:
>
>
> How could I use it to describe a signal? Can anyone show me an example?
> Does the central point of the octagon refer to the axis of the body, from
> head to toe?
>
>
> These symbols would be as if it was on the floor and the signer is
> standing in the center. So the first symbol would be to indicate location
> in front, while the next three detail how specifically close or far from
> the front of the signer.
>
>
> These below refer to the distance of a signal from the body in a top view,
> correct?
>
>
> The dash refers to the space in front of the body where a signal is made
> and moves, correct?
>
>
> Yes, these three symbols would be telling how close or far from the front
> of the signer. In a sense, these three symbols have the same meaning as the
> last three in the previous series.
>
>
> These below refer to the height in relation to the torso at which a signal
> is made, correct?
>
>
> Correct, these symbols would have a clear relation to the height on the
> body that the first series of symbols didn’t have.
>
>
> These below relate to the longitudinal axis of the body and in what
> position the signal is made, correct?
>
>
> Yes, that is correct. These symbols give the location on a vertical line
> across the body.
>
>
> We know that these below refer to points of contact or exact location on
> limbs or parts of the body.
>
> But what do the white and black circles mean? Are the circles related to
> the perspective of the sign? Is there an example?
>
>
> Yes, these symbols give specific location on the arms, fingers, hand, and
> torso (in that order). The difference between the circles is the front and
> back. I might have this mixed up, but I believe the black circles would be
> the locations that you see if you were standing behind the signer, and the
> white circles would be the locations that you would see if you were
> standing in front of the signer.
>
>
> Is there any video or written material about these exact location symbols?
>
> Thank you for the answers!
>
>
> -------------
>
> On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Caros amigos da SW-List, Valerie e Adam,
>
>
> Sabemos que os símbolos de localização exata não são de uso corrente, mas
> servem para fins específicos de estudos linguísticos de línguas de sinais.
> Gostaria de saber se há algum exemplo de uso destes símbolos de localização
> exata em qualquer língua de sinais.
>
> Sabemos que este se referem ao plano parede:
> <image.png>
> Como eu poderia usá-lo para descrever um sinal? Alguém pode me mostrar um
> exemplo? O ponto central do octógono estaria na altura do quadril?
>
> Sabemos que este se referem ao plano chão:
> <image.png>
> Como eu poderia usá-lo para descrever um sinal? Alguém pode me mostrar um
> exemplo? O ponto central do octógono se refere ao eixo do corpo, da cabeça
> aos pés?
>
> Estes abaixo se referem à distância da realização de um sinal em relação
> ao corpo em uma visão de cima, correto?
> <image.png>
> O traço se refere ao espaço à frente do corpo onde um sinal é realizado e
> se move, correto?
>
> Estes abaixo se referem à altura em relação ao torso em que se realiza um
> sinal, correto?
> <image.png>
> Estes abaixo se relacionam ao eixo longitudinal do corpo e em que posição
> o sinal é realizado, correto?
> <image.png>
>
> Sabemos que estes abaixo se referem a pontos de contato ou localização
> exata em membros ou partes do corpo.
> <image.png>
> <image.png>
> Mas o que significam os círculos branco e o preto? Os círculos estão
> relacionados à perspectiva do sinalizante? Há algum exemplo?
>
> Existe algum material em vídeo ou escrito sobre estes símbolos de
> localização exata?
>
> Já agradeço pelas respostas!
>
> Josenilson Mendes
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