[Sw-l] A question regarding how to write the right index finger touching a part of the left hand's palm and fingers

Sun Sep 5 20:13:41 UTC 2021

Hi Adam and Ae,
Creating a standardized fingerspelling keyboard for any sign language is a difficult job that takes time. Right now you are writing the first draft and then yes, you are right, it needs to be shared with other signers who know Thai sign language well. If they can read it then it is probably a good choice. So this is just the beginning. Thank you so much Ae, for starting the topic. Go right ahead and save it in SignPuddle Online. Other versions and additions can always be added and edited later.

Ae - how do you want to save the writing of the vowels in the Thai Sign Language Dictionary? 

I would suggest saving the list like you wrote Adam, as an individual entry, but also saving each symbol all by itself as an individual entry. With individual entries of each fingerspelling symbol, both consonants and vowels, then later, SignPuddle 2 can be programmed to provide a Thai Fingerspelling keyboard for typing, like this screen capture of SignPuddle 2 Fingerspeller for ASL. The fingerspeller program accesses the dictionary entries of the symbols:

> On Sep 5, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> Yes, that one in the second column was one that I was concerned about as well. I suspect the index hand would have to be rotated even more in order to make it clearer. I wasn’t sure if that would be a good idea since the hands in the video point up more than down, and I rotated it so you could at least see the symbol. Now that I look at it more, I think it would be best to do the rotating.
> 
> Yes, the next one seems to have brushing with the pinky in the video, but I decided to let it be assumed for reading. It could be added if necessary.
> 
> I haven’t hit the Save button in SignPuddle yet as I’m still testing it out. ;-) I also wouldn’t know what to save it as… Thai Vowels?
> 
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
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>> On Sep 5, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
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>> SignWriting List
>> September 5, 2021
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>> Hi Adam and Ae -
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>> Thank you, Adam! This is really well done and easy to read. I will leave this to you guys to talk about and decide. I am just the observer ;-)
>> 
>> As a foreign observer, reading these positions for the first time, there is only one that might be hard for me to read. It is the second column third sign down - the one in the middle of the second column. Is the index finger touching between the baby finger and the ring finger? If the symbol was reduced in size for printing documents, it might be hard to read but if there is no alternative that is ok too ;-)
>> 
>> And are there any rubbing or brushing off? I see you have one with a right arrow, that I am assuming is brushing off? That is simple writing and I can see that the brush symbol is not really necessary if people realize the arrowhead is dark for the right hand moving…
>> 
>> So cool!
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
>> PS. Are these entered into Thai Sign Language SignPuddle?
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>>> On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>> I saw Valerie’s message about your question and think I might have something to reply now. ;-)
>>> 
>>> I really had to think about how I would write this detail of writing for a while. As I don’t know ThaiSL, I am mainly basing this off of the video link that you sent. I wrote the first 10 shown. From your image, it seems there are more than that but hopefully this will give you some ideas.
>>> 
>>> I tried to write these so they fit as closely as possible to what was in the video while still being readable. (I am not sure if I always succeeded in my attempt, but it's a start.)
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>>> <Screen Shot 2021-09-05 at 11.39.54 AM.png>
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>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <suttikunep at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>>> Hello SWList members!
>>>> 
>>>> Today I have a question regarding how to write the right index finger touching a part of the left hand's palm and fingers.
>>>> 	• ThaiSL fingerspelling for vowels, tone marks, and other symbols is shown in the photo and video link below. The right index finger is used to indicate a vowel or a tone mark of a syllable on a part of the left hand's palm or fingers.
>>>> 	• There appear to be symbols used in the SignMaker to write the detailed digit location, but I'm not clear how to use them since I couldn't find a description in the SW Textbook.
>>>> 	• So, which SW symbols should these gestures be written with, and how should they be written?
>>>> <image.png>
>>>> Link: https://youtu.be/6eLfibTBiZQ?t=717 (from 11:57)
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much in advance!
>>>> I look forward to receiving your responses, 
>>>> <sign (14).png>
>>>> Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
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