[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Tue Feb 8 19:56:51 UTC 2022

SignWriting List
February 8, 2022

There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30 years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)

The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will have two movements.

And other standards have developed too...

See attached:

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre,
> 
> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
> 
> Thanks,
> Anna
> 
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars. Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> André
> 
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
> 
> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement for 20, if you would like.
> 
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
> 
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Adam,
>> 
>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> AnnaGrace
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I would write it with completely different hands.
>> 
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>> 
>>> 6: 2022
>>> 7: EAT ?
>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Abdré
>>> 
>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>> 
>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>> 
>>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally follow the first approach.
>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>> 
>>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends as well.
>>> 
>>>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png> 
>>> 
>>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>> 
>>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a back-back brush movement.
>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>> 
>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write “kiss fist”?
>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>> 
>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9 look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>> 
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks so much!
>>>> English answers:
>>>> 1.
>>>> 2.
>>>> 3.
>>>> 4.
>>>> 5.
>>>> 6.
>>>> 7.
>>>> 8.
>>>> 9.
>>>> 
>>>> ASL signwriting:
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>>   
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>> 
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