[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

André Thibeault atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Wed Feb 9 19:53:46 UTC 2022 

Hello Carlos,

I am still learning SW symbols and a written sign language. I do not know
some SW symbols. I signwrite sometimes (not everyday). I cannot watch videos
on YouTube and I can't recognize Hector's face because I am Deafblind and I
use tactile Quebec Sign Language (LSQT) everyday. But, I can still read the
text of a sign.

HANDWAVING from Quebec (French Canada)

André
De :  Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date :  Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:43:14 -0300
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?


Hello Andrew,

I'm very happy to see you developing your ASL writing skills through the
"Sutton Signwriting" method.
 I'm also an ASL user and I miss people to talk to in ASL about
"Signwriting".

When I saw you trying to write the 10 signs I remembered myself in 2018 when
I was starting to learn writing (starting, because until today I'm learning
and I feel like I'm still learning this amazing writing method).
Like you, I was also trying to write variations of signs, and at first I
made a lot of mistakes trying to describe variations that for me were more
common than the ones they had in signpuddle.
  If you want a friend to practice writing privately, you can email me. We
can write ASL to each other ;)

I was going to make a video reading it exactly as you wrote it so you can
see where the mistakes are, but Adam and Hector already did a good job.

Go ahead, when we started to understand all the dynamics we fell even more
in love with SignWriting.

A hug from Brazil.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:
> SignWriting List
> February 8, 2022
> 
> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of them is
> the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in our books for
> page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30 years. So I have
> entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for 2022 because I need
> it for my email to Stefan ;-)
> 
> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of signing
> fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once and
> everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will have two
> movements.
> 
> And other standards have developed too...
> 
> See attached:
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> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andre,
>> 
>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars. Deaf
>> signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> André
>> 
>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
>> <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>> 
>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement for
>> 20, if you would like.
>> 
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>> 
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Adam,
>>> 
>>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I didn¹t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I
>>> would write it with completely different hands.
>>> 
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>>> 
>>>> 6: 2022
>>>> 7: EAT ?
>>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Abdré
>>>> 
>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
>>>> <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> I would assume you meant ³class²; however, the rotation of the hands have
>>>> some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the ³C² is the finger
>>>> side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with
>>>> the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
>>>> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
>>>> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
>>>> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
>>>> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
>>>> follow the first approach.
>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> I think you mean ³chair², but I am not sure why the base hand also has bent
>>>> fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting to
>>>> not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I notice I
>>>> rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends as well.
>>>> 
>>>>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> I think you mean ³sit². The same issue with chair applies here as well. I
>>>> noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not
>>>> that it¹s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> I think you mean ³dog², but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
>>>> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
>>>> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
>>>> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
>>>> back-back brush movement.
>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing
>>>> away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back
>>>> towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write
>>>> ³kiss fist²?
>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW eating.png>
>>>>> <SW will eat.png>
>>>> 
>>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them
>>>> like I did above, but they don¹t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
>>>> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
>>>> because the fingers aren¹t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
>>>> look like they are various forms of ³eating², but the handshape is only
>>>> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
>>>> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>>> 
>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
>>>>> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
>>>>> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
>>>>> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks
>>>>> so much!
>>>>> English answers:
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> 4.
>>>>> 5.
>>>>> 6.
>>>>> 7.
>>>>> 8.
>>>>> 9.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ASL signwriting:
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>>>> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
>>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>>>   
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW eating.png>
>>>>> <SW will eat.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>> 
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>>>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<Screen Shot
>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14
>>>> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>>> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png><SW ate.png><SW eating.png><SW will
>>>> eat.png><namesign.png>
>>> 
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