[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Wed Feb 9 20:44:13 UTC 2022

Hi Adam,
I just read your most recent email.
Thank you for thinking deeply about this.
When I get a chance, I will type out my thoughts.
Regards,
AnnaGrace

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Hector,
> Please disregard my last email addressed to you.
> I added one small (but significant!) detail to number 6.
> Again, can you please do me a favor and show a video of
> yourself signing the two signwriting glyphs in *this* email?
> Thanks so much!
> (Others reading this email are free to do likewise, if they wish to do so.)
> Gracias,
> AnnaGrace
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-09 at 3.38.40 PM.png]
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:54 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hello Carlos,
>>
>> I am still learning SW symbols and a written sign language. I do not know
>> some SW symbols. I signwrite sometimes (not everyday). I cannot watch
>> videos on YouTube and I can't recognize Hector's face because I am
>> Deafblind and I use tactile Quebec Sign Language (LSQT) everyday. But, I
>> can still read the text of a sign.
>>
>> HANDWAVING from Quebec (French Canada)
>>
>> André
>> De : Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:43:14 -0300
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>
>>
>> Hello Andrew,
>>
>> I'm very happy to see you developing your ASL writing skills through the
>> "Sutton Signwriting" method.
>>  I'm also an ASL user and I miss people to talk to in ASL about
>> "Signwriting".
>>
>> When I saw you trying to write the 10 signs I remembered myself in 2018
>> when I was starting to learn writing (starting, because until today I'm
>> learning and I feel like I'm still learning this amazing writing method).
>> Like you, I was also trying to write variations of signs, and at first I
>> made a lot of mistakes trying to describe variations that for me were more
>> common than the ones they had in signpuddle.
>>   If you want a friend to practice writing privately, you can email me.
>> We can write ASL to each other ;)
>>
>> I was going to make a video reading it exactly as you wrote it so you can
>> see where the mistakes are, but Adam and Hector already did a good job.
>>
>> Go ahead, when we started to understand all the dynamics we fell even
>> more in love with SignWriting.
>>
>> A hug from Brazil.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> February 8, 2022
>>>
>>> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of
>>> them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in
>>> our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30
>>> years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for
>>> 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
>>>
>>> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of
>>> signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once
>>> and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will
>>> have two movements.
>>>
>>> And other standards have developed too...
>>>
>>> See attached:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andre,
>>>
>>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars.
>>> Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> André
>>>
>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>
>>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement
>>> for 20, if you would like.
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I
>>> would write it with completely different hands.
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>>
>>> 6: 2022
>>> 7: EAT ?
>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Abdré
>>>
>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>
>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands
>>> have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the
>>> finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is
>>> with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
>>> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
>>> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
>>> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
>>> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
>>> follow the first approach.
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has
>>> bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting
>>> to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I
>>> notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends
>>> as well.
>>>
>>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well.
>>> I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit.
>>> Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
>>> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
>>> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
>>> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
>>> back-back brush movement.
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is
>>> facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves
>>> back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to
>>> write “kiss fist”?
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading
>>> them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
>>> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
>>> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
>>> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
>>> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
>>> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
>>> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
>>> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
>>> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks
>>> so much!
>>> English answers:
>>> 1.
>>> 2.
>>> 3.
>>> 4.
>>> 5.
>>> 6.
>>> 7.
>>> 8.
>>> 9.
>>>
>>> ASL signwriting:
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>
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>>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<Screen
>>> Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14
>>> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png><SW ate.png><SW eating.png><SW will
>>> eat.png><namesign.png>
>>>
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