[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
Adam Frost
icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Thu Feb 17 18:01:11 UTC 2022
I am not sure if I am reading this correctly, but here is a video of what I would most likely read what you wrote.
In my next message, I will show you how I would write what I suspect that you are trying to write. ;-)
Adam
> On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> Hi Hector,
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> If you can, could you please sign this in a video for me? I want to see if you produce the sign I have in mind.
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> If you want to know more about this glyph , you can find it in SignMaker at the arrow:
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> Please feel free to ask me questions!
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> If others are reading this email and wish to send a video of the spelling #4 above as well, please do so!
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> Thanks so much,
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> AnnaGrace
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> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at gmail.com <mailto:msannagrace20 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
> As for the discussion about the glyph, I am still thinking about it.
> In fact, I am taking a deep dive.
> I'll get back to you as soon as I can!
> Thanks for your patience.
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> ~ AnnaGrace
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> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:49 AM AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at gmail.com <mailto:msannagrace20 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thank you again, Hector!
> When I am done with the signwriting pictures I have given you, I will tell you all the answers and why.
> Just one more signwriting left. Could you please try this one?
> (To the other readers of this email, please feel free to try this one also!)
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> Muchas gracias!!!
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> ~ Anna Grace
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> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:28 AM Hector Devia Robayo <hdeviar at gmail.com <mailto:hdeviar at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello Anne Grace,
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> Please find on this e-mail my new reading on your two new modified glyphs.
> <https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI>
> https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI <https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI>
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> El mié, 9 feb 2022 a la(s) 15:42, AnnaGrace Greenfield (msannagrace20 at gmail.com <mailto:msannagrace20 at gmail.com>) escribió:
> Hi Hector,
> Please disregard my last email addressed to you.
> I added one small (but significant!) detail to number 6.
> Again, can you please do me a favor and show a video of
> yourself signing the two signwriting glyphs in this email?
> Thanks so much!
> (Others reading this email are free to do likewise, if they wish to do so.)
> Gracias,
> AnnaGrace
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> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:54 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca <mailto:atg at videotron.ca>> wrote:
> Hello Carlos,
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> I am still learning SW symbols and a written sign language. I do not know some SW symbols. I signwrite sometimes (not everyday). I cannot watch videos on YouTube and I can't recognize Hector's face because I am Deafblind and I use tactile Quebec Sign Language (LSQT) everyday. But, I can still read the text of a sign.
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> HANDWAVING from Quebec (French Canada)
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> André
> De : Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM <mailto:carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM>>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:43:14 -0300
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
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> Hello Andrew,
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> I'm very happy to see you developing your ASL writing skills through the "Sutton Signwriting" method.
> I'm also an ASL user and I miss people to talk to in ASL about "Signwriting".
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> When I saw you trying to write the 10 signs I remembered myself in 2018 when I was starting to learn writing (starting, because until today I'm learning and I feel like I'm still learning this amazing writing method).
> Like you, I was also trying to write variations of signs, and at first I made a lot of mistakes trying to describe variations that for me were more common than the ones they had in signpuddle.
> If you want a friend to practice writing privately, you can email me. We can write ASL to each other ;)
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> I was going to make a video reading it exactly as you wrote it so you can see where the mistakes are, but Adam and Hector already did a good job.
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> Go ahead, when we started to understand all the dynamics we fell even more in love with SignWriting.
>
> A hug from Brazil.
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> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> February 8, 2022
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> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30 years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
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> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will have two movements.
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> And other standards have developed too...
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>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
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>> Hi Andre,
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>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca <mailto:atg at videotron.ca>> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
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>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22. I have 20 cars. Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
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>> Best regards,
>>
>> André
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>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM <mailto:icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
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>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement for 20, if you would like.
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>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
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>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
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>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
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>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I would write it with completely different hands.
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
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>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA <mailto:atg at VIDEOTRON.CA>> wrote:
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>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
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>>>> 6: 2022
>>>> 7: EAT ?
>>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Abdré
>>>>
>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM <mailto:icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>>
>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
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>>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
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>>>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally follow the first approach.
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
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>>>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends as well.
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
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>>>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
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>>>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a back-back brush movement.
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
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>>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write “kiss fist”?
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png> <SW ate.png> <SW eating.png> <SW will eat.png>
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>>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9 look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
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>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
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>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks so much!
>>>>> English answers:
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> 4.
>>>>> 5.
>>>>> 6.
>>>>> 7.
>>>>> 8.
>>>>> 9.
>>>>>
>>>>> ASL signwriting:
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
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>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png> <SW ate.png> <SW eating.png> <SW will eat.png>
>>>>>
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