[Sw-l] General movement arrowhead
Carlos Cristian Libras
carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM
Mon Feb 28 00:43:17 UTC 2022
Great
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 5:22 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:
> SignWriting List
> February 27, 2022
>
> Hi everyone, and especially Andre…
>
> My special thanks to you Andre, for this thoughtful message. I think it is
> remarkable the way you have gathered all these diagrams together and have
> shown us the way you would define the General Arrowhead for wrist and arm
> movements. I love it!
>
> Your suggestions seem to be documenting how people are writing today and
> that is very important.
>
> So my gratitude to you - and I am sure a lot of writers feel the same...
>
> And yes you are right, before I make an official addendum to our textbooks
> I will meet with Adam, since we are co-authors now of our textbooks.
>
> I still believe that there are three definitions. I believe that the old
> definition that is in place right now is simply the first definition and
> then there will also be the second and the third that you have already laid
> down in your email, Andre. I am with you, I just want everyone to feel free
> to write following any of the three definitions, so no one feels required
> to change something…I plan to write this up in a simple two page
> description and then I will post it once I get the DAC’s approval … big
> smile … that is the way we used to do things!
>
> The Deaf Action Committee disbanded years ago - although we seem to be
> having a revival of friendships recently… Everyone scattered around the
> world...
>
> So now I will ask the SignWriters on the SignWriting List what you all
> think….You are becoming the new SW Action Committee!
>
> So yes, I will make an appointment to speak with Adam and then I will try
> to write up something that's very simple and then I'll show it to all of
> you … It may take a few days ;-)
>
> Thanks once again, and have a great day -
>
>
> Val ;-)
>
> --------------
>
> On Feb 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> You see first, second and third definitions. These definitions become one.
>
> Definition of : General arrowhead is defined as both hands making a
> similar movement in the same path and in the same direction.
>
> 1) Two hands make a similar movement in the same path.
>
> a) with contact symbols
>
> = . (same path)
>
>
> Examples:
> EVERY-NIGHT (ASL) EVOLVE (LSQ)
>
> = . (same path)
>
> Examples:
> CHAMPIONSHIP DIFFERENT (ASL)
> (LIBRAS)
>
> b) without contact symbols
>
> = . (same path) =
>
> Examples:
> FAITHFUL (LSQ) PLAN (ASL)
>
> = (same path) =
>
> Example:
> SUPERFICIAL (NorSL)
>
>
>
> = (same path) =
>
> Example:
> B (2h) CL: An elevator moves down. (LSQ classifier)
>
>
> = . (same path) =
>
>
> Example:
>
> FIRE (dismiss) (LSQ)
>
> 2) Two hands make a similar movement in the same direction.
>
> = . (same direction) =
>
> Examples:
> PATH (LSF) DRIVE-STROLLER (NorSL)
>
> = . (same direction) =
>
> Examples:
> MUST (BSL) TOGETHER (SloSL)
>
>
> =. (same direction) =
>
> Example:
> C (2h): An object moves diagonally up to the left. (ASL
> and LSQ classifiers)
>
> In summary, a signwriter does not signwrite because he/she does not
> learn about it. He/She generally signwrites .
>
>
>
> (same direction) (same path) (same direction) (same path)
>
> According to the visual perception, two hands move down at the same time
> what I see. You remember that a Brazilian signwriter found that is
> similar to because of the visual perception.
>
> Anybody: I need your help. Would you help me improve this definition?
>
> Val: You remember that it is not an official definition. You and Adam
> will discuss about it. If you want to keep a definition of
> overlapping paths, I respect your decision. I want to tell you that you
> and Adam will discuss about it "later". It is fine for me.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
>
>
>
>
> De : Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:12:24 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: General movement arrowhead
>
> SignWriting List
> February 25, 2022
>
> General Arrowhead taught the same in 1979...
>
>
>
> Fall, 1979
> NTID Technical Signs Manuals Begin
> SignWriting symbols are used in a series of Technical Signs Manuals,
> produced at NTID in Rochester, New York, under the direction of Dr. Frank
> Caccamise. In 1979, Valerie Sutton was a full-time consultant to the
> project for six months, and is the author of the second manual, which
> teaches the SignWriting symbols. Over 10 manuals have since been published.
> The movement symbols of SignWriting are blended with life-like
> illustrations, showing technical signs used in different professions.
>
> -----
>
> On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:56 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi Val and everyone,
>
> YES YES YES.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> De : Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:01:16 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: General movement arrowhead
>
> SignWriting List
> February 25, 2022
>
> Guess what! I found it. Indeed you are correct, Andre. The old lessons in
> SignWriting textbook did say it this way “two hands move as one unit". I
> found the graphic. It is attached here:
>
>
>
> And I also found another wonderful description in the old NTID technical
> signs manuals which I wrote with researchers at NTID in 1979. And I will
> attach a screen capture from those books soon.
>
> So to summarize "two hands moving as one unit" meant "overlapping paths”
> in my mind, because in these diagrams they are truly on the same path.
> White and black are blending to become gray in the diagrams. I started to
> use the term "overlapping paths" to emphasize this idea, and I consider
> that the same rule. As you will see in the NTID manuals which I am scanning
> now to post.
>
> But there needs to be other rules too now, that are more flexible, because
> I too have noticed that there are times when we use the general arrowhead
> in a different way so I do agree that new rules do need to be established.
> More soon.
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
> --------
>
>
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