[Sw-l] Question about mouth gestures

[Honza Fikejs]

Hello Adam,

I think we will use constructed symbol.

Thanks
Honza

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 5:33 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Honza, I didn’t write the book “A Cross-Linguistic Guide to SignWriting”.
> That was Stephen and Dianne Parkhurst. So they probably have their own
> added symbols as well, but you are correct that that one isn’t in the ISWA
> 2010 symbol set.
>
> Yes, Valerie, the symbol that I suggested was the BaseSymbol 604 which was
> included as a request by Ingvild Roald from Norway. :-)
>
> If you don’t think BaseSymbol 604 will work for you, Honza, because you
> are already using that symbol to mean another mouth gesture, we can try
> looking for another symbol in the ISWA 2010 symbol set that might work for
> you.
>
> Or you could try to have a constructed symbol to look like the one that
> the Parkhurst created. I just overlayed BaseSymbols 572, 597, and 598 to
> get this:
>
> [image: glyphogram.png]
>
> [image: namesign.png]
> Adam
>
> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:35 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at DANCEWRITING.ORG>
> wrote:
>
> It is BaseSymbol 604 in the ISWA Reference Manual online
>
> <Screenshot 2025-01-14 at 7.34.29 AM.png>
>
> <Screenshot 2025-01-14 at 7.34.17 AM.png>
>
> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:20 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at dancewriting.org>
> wrote:
>
> ISWA BaseSymbol 604?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:17 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at dancewriting.org>
> wrote:
>
> It is in the ISWA2010 because it’s used in Norway and was requested by
> Ingvild Roald to write Norwegian sign language and actually is not
> connected at all with Stefan’s work with mouth movements. I believe if you
> go to look up the symbols in the ISW 2010 it’s under tongue and mouth and
> maybe number 630? I am in bed with a bad flu and I don’t have the strength
> to get up and look in a computer but on my phone I think I found it
> although it’s awfully small and I’m not sure I will try later but if you
> can talk with Ingvild Roald, that would help where is the symbol Ingvild?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2025, at 5:33 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if Stefan use is as well, but the mentioned symbol is from
> your  A Cross-Linguistic Guide to SignWriting p. 133 Adam ;)
>
> Symbol S35bb00 says "pushing the lip", so it is different from the origin.
> Adam, did you use other set of symbols in the Guide?
>
> Thanks
> Honza
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 2:23 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
> That looks like Stefan’s SpeechWriting. Or is it more specifically Mouth
> Movement Writing or something like that? There are several symbols that
> were his own creations that aren’t going to be found in SignPuddle because
> they are in the ISWA 2010.
>
> If I were to try and find a symbol that best matches your description of
> “tongue between tight lips”, I would probably use this one:
>
> S35b00
>
> What do you think?
>
> <namesign.png>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 14, 2025, at 2:06 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Val and Adam especially,
>
> actually we are working on mouth gestures description for Czech Sign
> Language,  but we are struggling writing somes down using SW.
> It seems, some symbols are missing in SignPuddle. I love Adam's guide
> containing pictures of mouth gesture as well.
> There is at least one, that I am not able to find in SignPuddle:
> <image.png>
> Some combinations of tongue and teeth are not there as well. Maybe the
> only way is to compose it from some components?
> Thank you for help.
>
> Honza
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