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Johanna Laakso jolaakso at cc.helsinki.fi
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At 13:37 20.10.1999 +0300, you wrote:
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>Dear Uralists!
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>Does anyone know the standard English name for << altsyrja"nische
>Schrift / drevnepermskaja azbuka >> ?
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>Thank you.
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>Kazuto Matsumura
>Univ. of Tokyo
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In my opinion, OLD ZYRYEN SCRIPT is more appropriate than the (partly)
misleading OLD PERMIAN (PERMIC) SCRIPT. The Russian name "permskaja azbuka"
stems from the times when the Zyryens were referred to as "perm'
vychegodskaja". The English ethnonymic tradition does not possess such
reminiscences and must not reproduce them.
Eugene Helimski


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