From gerson.klumpp at ut.ee  Mon Mar  3 11:50:28 2025
From: gerson.klumpp at ut.ee (Gerson Stefan Klumpp)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 11:50:28 +0000
Subject: [Ura-list] =?utf-8?q?CIFU_14_=E2=80=93_3rd_Circular?=
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Dear collegues,

thank you for bringing up the question and your opinions on that.

There have been different views on the fee for online participation and, e.g., the last CIFU in Vienna in 2022 could not offer a reduced fee for that. We have reached a compromise now, the online participation fee is 100 Euros (early bird, from May 1st on 150). The 3rd Circular has been revised https://cifu14.ut.ee/3rd-circular/ and registration form and payment information adapted accordingly.

Payment from Russia is still an issue. In no way is our policy to exclude participation from Russia. As written in the Circular and in the information on payment options https://cifu14.ut.ee/payment-options/, if non the options apply please register anyway and contact the organizers. Please understand that solutions need to be found on an individual base.

I hope the current adaptions are acceptable.

Looking forward to your participation,

Gerson Klumpp


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Saadetud: reede, 28. veebruar 2025 23:49
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Teema: Fw: CIFU 14 ? 3rd Circular

Dear Colleagues,

Just a thought on the pricing policy of CIFU XIV:
Maybe it would be possible to have a slightly lower in-person fee and even lower on-line fee but have an option for people to donate in support of the event? Would that work?

Bw,

Katrin
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From: owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi <owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi> on behalf of Esa-Jussi Salminen <ejsalminen at gmail.com>
Sent: 28 February 2025 20:58
To: Egor Kashkin <egorka1988 at gmail.com>
Cc: ura-list at helsinki.fi <ura-list at helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: CIFU 14 ? 3rd Circular

Dear colleagues!
I agree, that 250-300 euros is quite a lot of money for everybody nowadays. It is a big investment. But I do not see any economical differences between EU and Russia any more, thanks to the Russian dictator...

In old good times of course, it was very good that we had lower prices for citizens of Russia, but not any more, thanks to the devil in Kreml. For example we In Finland have to pay extremely high prices for food, electricity, for everything, because ot the crazy man in Kreml... And our Nazi government in Finland ( with perussuomalaiset and Kokoomus in it) makes its best to make everything worse for normal people. For example I was a short time without properly paid job in Finland ( after I was kicked off from Russia as early as 2019...) and last year I could not pay my electricity and was 4 months without it at all, because our government prohibited the social workers from making any individual considerations in any case.

I think the main aim of FU-congress is to get the people interested in Finno-Ugric studies together. On-line participation is not interesting at all. We can every day speak with each other on the internet with anybody, but meeting is the thing. I am waiting for participants from Russia very much. Everyone participating is demonstrating his / her opinion against the dictator of Russia and his wish to destroy all the FInno-Ugric languages and cultures. He has already destroyed the World congresses of Finno_Ugric Peoples and the Congresses of Finno-Ugric Writers'. That is enough and I am fed up.

Esa-Jussi Salminen

pe 28.2.2025 klo 18.42 Egor Kashkin (egorka1988 at gmail.com<mailto:egorka1988 at gmail.com>) kirjoitti:
Dear colleagues,

I'm sorry if my letter hurts anyone's feelings, but I don't think this
is the case when one should keep quiet. I think that the only way for
anyone with common sense is to boycott a congress with such a pricing
policy, at least if online participation was planned. What we have
read in the 3rd Circular is by no means the way to contribute to
academic cooperation in Uralic studies (which is I think should be the
basic goal of the CIFU). As for me, my abstract was accepted, but I
refuse to give a talk under these conditions.

I admit that 250-300 euros for on-site participation might be a
reasonable fee, as it includes several activities beyond the main
programme. But this is absurd for online participation. What should we
pay 250 euros for? For pressing a few buttons in a conference room and
for drinking tea at home? Just for comparison, I attended the ALT
conference online in December. This is the world's leading typological
conference, and it was held in Singapore, one of the richest countries
in the world. But the registration fee I had to pay was about 3 times
less.

Or, given the economic differences between the EU and Russia, is this
just a hidden way of cancelling participants from Russia, for whom
such a fee is really expensive? OK, the University of Tartu has its
right to cancel Russia in the studies of the Uralic languages, most of
which are however spoken in Russia. But wouldn't then it be honest to
state this explicitly?

Egor Kashkin

??, 28 ????. 2025??. ? 18:52, Gerson Stefan Klumpp <gerson.klumpp at ut.ee<mailto:gerson.klumpp at ut.ee>>:
>
> Dear Uralists,
>
> the 3rd Circular, which includes information on registration and payment options for CIFU 14 in Tartu in August 2025, is online now: https://cifu14.ut.ee/3rd-circular/. Apologies for cross-postings.
>
> Regards from Tartu,
> Gerson Klumpp
>
>
>
> Gerson Klumpp
>
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>
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>
> Tartu ?likool/University of Tartu
>
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>
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From egorka1988 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 14:40:19 2025
From: egorka1988 at gmail.com (Egor Kashkin)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 17:40:19 +0300
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Dear Gerson, dear colleagues,

Thank you for the sensible work. As for me, I have just registered for
the congress. Of course, I agree that you have to organize Zoom
moderators etc., so the choice shouldn't be between 250 euros or
nothing.

Payments from Russia are really an individual story. I have briefly
explained to the secretary how it works now. I would expect it to be
more problematic for our colleagues outside Moscow and St. Petersburg,
who tend to have fewer international contacts and have more difficulty
in opening a foreign card.

I have some memories of the congress in Vienna, but I think it was a
different story for several reasons. First, everyone was shocked by
what was happening in 2022 in general, and there wasn't much practical
experience of how to deal with the sanctions at a private level. So it
wasn't really clear to many people how to pay and what to do (today
the atmosphere is still nervous, but at least there has been some
adjustment in some practical matters). Second, the congress was
postponed, and some of the research to be presented in 2020 had
already been published by 2022 (as in my case, for example). So it was
a simpler solution for many people just to avoid logistical effort and
not to give a talk. Nowadays, I think it is becoming more and more
important not to lose academic connections, let's hope that the light
at the end of the tunnel will become more visible.

??, 3 ???. 2025??. ? 14:57, Gerson Stefan Klumpp <gerson.klumpp at ut.ee>:
>
> Dear collegues,
>
> thank you for bringing up the question and your opinions on that.
>
> There have been different views on the fee for online participation and, e.g., the last CIFU in Vienna in 2022 could not offer a reduced fee for that. We have reached a compromise now, the online participation fee is 100 Euros (early bird, from May 1st on 150). The 3rd Circular has been revised https://cifu14.ut.ee/3rd-circular/ and registration form and payment information adapted accordingly.
>
> Payment from Russia is still an issue. In no way is our policy to exclude participation from Russia. As written in the Circular and in the information on payment options https://cifu14.ut.ee/payment-options/, if non the options apply please register anyway and contact the organizers. Please understand that solutions need to be found on an individual base.
>
> I hope the current adaptions are acceptable.
>
> Looking forward to your participation,
>
> Gerson Klumpp
>
>
> ________________________________
> Saatja: owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi <owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi> Katrin Hiietam <katrinhiietam at hotmail.com> nimel
> Saadetud: reede, 28. veebruar 2025 23:49
> Adressaat: ura-list at helsinki.fi <ura-list at helsinki.fi>
> Teema: Fw: CIFU 14 ? 3rd Circular
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Just a thought on the pricing policy of CIFU XIV:
> Maybe it would be possible to have a slightly lower in-person fee and even lower on-line fee but have an option for people to donate in support of the event? Would that work?
>
> Bw,
>
> Katrin
> ________________________________
> From: owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi <owner-ura-list at helsinki.fi> on behalf of Esa-Jussi Salminen <ejsalminen at gmail.com>
> Sent: 28 February 2025 20:58
> To: Egor Kashkin <egorka1988 at gmail.com>
> Cc: ura-list at helsinki.fi <ura-list at helsinki.fi>
> Subject: Re: CIFU 14 ? 3rd Circular
>
> Dear colleagues!
> I agree, that 250-300 euros is quite a lot of money for everybody nowadays. It is a big investment. But I do not see any economical differences between EU and Russia any more, thanks to the Russian dictator...
>
> In old good times of course, it was very good that we had lower prices for citizens of Russia, but not any more, thanks to the devil in Kreml. For example we In Finland have to pay extremely high prices for food, electricity, for everything, because ot the crazy man in Kreml... And our Nazi government in Finland ( with perussuomalaiset and Kokoomus in it) makes its best to make everything worse for normal people. For example I was a short time without properly paid job in Finland ( after I was kicked off from Russia as early as 2019...) and last year I could not pay my electricity and was 4 months without it at all, because our government prohibited the social workers from making any individual considerations in any case.
>
> I think the main aim of FU-congress is to get the people interested in Finno-Ugric studies together. On-line participation is not interesting at all. We can every day speak with each other on the internet with anybody, but meeting is the thing. I am waiting for participants from Russia very much. Everyone participating is demonstrating his / her opinion against the dictator of Russia and his wish to destroy all the FInno-Ugric languages and cultures. He has already destroyed the World congresses of Finno_Ugric Peoples and the Congresses of Finno-Ugric Writers'. That is enough and I am fed up.
>
> Esa-Jussi Salminen
>
> pe 28.2.2025 klo 18.42 Egor Kashkin (egorka1988 at gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I'm sorry if my letter hurts anyone's feelings, but I don't think this
> is the case when one should keep quiet. I think that the only way for
> anyone with common sense is to boycott a congress with such a pricing
> policy, at least if online participation was planned. What we have
> read in the 3rd Circular is by no means the way to contribute to
> academic cooperation in Uralic studies (which is I think should be the
> basic goal of the CIFU). As for me, my abstract was accepted, but I
> refuse to give a talk under these conditions.
>
> I admit that 250-300 euros for on-site participation might be a
> reasonable fee, as it includes several activities beyond the main
> programme. But this is absurd for online participation. What should we
> pay 250 euros for? For pressing a few buttons in a conference room and
> for drinking tea at home? Just for comparison, I attended the ALT
> conference online in December. This is the world's leading typological
> conference, and it was held in Singapore, one of the richest countries
> in the world. But the registration fee I had to pay was about 3 times
> less.
>
> Or, given the economic differences between the EU and Russia, is this
> just a hidden way of cancelling participants from Russia, for whom
> such a fee is really expensive? OK, the University of Tartu has its
> right to cancel Russia in the studies of the Uralic languages, most of
> which are however spoken in Russia. But wouldn't then it be honest to
> state this explicitly?
>
> Egor Kashkin
>
> ??, 28 ????. 2025??. ? 18:52, Gerson Stefan Klumpp <gerson.klumpp at ut.ee>:
> >
> > Dear Uralists,
> >
> > the 3rd Circular, which includes information on registration and payment options for CIFU 14 in Tartu in August 2025, is online now: https://cifu14.ut.ee/3rd-circular/. Apologies for cross-postings.
> >
> > Regards from Tartu,
> > Gerson Klumpp
> >
> >
> >
> > Gerson Klumpp
> >
> > Soome-ugri keelte professor/Professor of Finno-Ugric Studies
> >
> > Eesti ja ?ldkeeleteaduse instituut/Institute of Estonian and General Linguistics
> >
> > Tartu ?likool/University of Tartu
> >
> > Jakobi 2-415
> >
> > EE-51005 Tartu
>
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