grammaticality

[Peter Hook]

VYAKARAN: South Asian Languages and Linguistics Net
Editors:  Tej K. Bhatia, Syracuse University, New York
          John Peterson, University of Osnabrueck, Germany
Details:  Send email to listserv at listserv.syr.edu and say: INFO VYAKARAN
Subscribe:Send email to listserv at listserv.syr.edu and say:
          SUBSCRIBE VYAKARAN FIRST_NAME LAST_NAME
          (Substitute your real name for first_name last_name)
Archives: http://listserv.syr.edu

Dear Bhuvana and other Friends,

       In written Hindi the <ne>, it seems, is not preferred with the NP
subject of predicative stative participial constructions. Exx from Godan:

<rm<21703>rm> aura gobara camaacama buuTa pahane hue t'aa/

<rm<06007>rm> duusarii mahilaa jo UUcii eRii kaa juutaa pahane hue hAI ...

<rm<18830>rm> Sob'aa ne kahaa -- taaRii to piye hue ho ...

(In the 3rd example the use of <ho> rather than <hai> implies <tuma>
rather than <tumane> is the form of the zeroed subject.)

       But finding these exx is not to say that <ne> cannot be (or is not)
used with the subject NPs of such participial constructions in colloquial
registers of Hindi and Urdu.

        All the best,

                Peter Hook

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tej Bhatia wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am coding some Hindi child language samples, and came across
> some sentences which got me wondering about the grammaticality
> of the following types of sentences:
>
> (1) yeh saaDii mai.n ne pehenii huii hai.
> (2) aise phal mai.n ne khaaye hue hai.n.
> (3) mai.n ne idhar biskut chupaa kar rakhe hue hai.n.
> (4) idhar biskut rakhe hue hai.n.
> (5) aurat salwaar kamiiz pehene huii thii.
>
> A colleague of mine and I feel that "hue" can be used in intransitive
> constructions (with a stative reading) and is usually incompatible
> with "-ne", but I was wondering whether (1) to (3) are really infrequent
> in
> colloquial speech.  Are all of these sentences are equally acceptable
> to other speakers of Hindi?
>
> I would be very grateful for any comments on this.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Bhuvana Narasimhan
>
>
>
>
> --
> ****************************************************************
> Bhuvana Narasimhan
> Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics
> E-mail address: bhuvana at mpi.nl
> <http://www.mpi.nl/world/persons/profession/bhuvana.html>http://www.mpi.nl/world/persons/profession/bhuvana.html
> Mailing address: P.O. Box 310, 6500 AH Nijmegen, The Netherlands
> Street address: Wundtlaan 1, 6525 XD Nijmegen, The Netherlands
> *****************************************************************
> --
> Tej K. Bhatia
> Professor
> Linguistics & Cognitive Sciences
> Chancellor's Exceptional Academic Excellence Professor
>
> 312 HBC, Syracuse University
> Syracuse, New York 13244-1160
> email: tkbhatia at mailbox.syr.edu
> http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/southasiacenter/Faculty/Tej/Default.htm
> Tel: 315-443-5374 (off.)
> Fax: 315-443-5376
>