four-twenty

susan mssmith at BOONE.NET
Tue Jan 25 22:11:10 UTC 2000


Wow!
Easy there, Joe.

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> From: Joseph Carson <samizdata at earthlink.net>
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: four-twenty
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:49 AM
>
> Greetings to all ADS-Listers,
>
> This is a phrase that's used in the San Francisco neighborhood we all
love
> to Haight, indeed.  The derivation has puzzled me as well, but whatever
it
> means (or meant, since I'll bet it refers to a G. Dead song lyric or some
> other classic beatnik or hippie era source,) in its original usage is
> probably irrelevant to the purpose it's put to now ... tangential
reference
> is characteristic of the Deadhead mentality, and the shelled-out
post-Flower
> Power- and- Sid Vicious retreads roaming the Haight Street Corridor at
will,
> (or random, or both,) in search of dope (or legal medicinal substitutes
such
> as methadone,) could care less what the words mean, or where they came
from,
> as long as they get high ... what a place!  Give me the stinking gutters
of
> the Tenderloin anytime ... what? oh, why thank you! (re: best be careful
> what you wish for) ... however, I wonder the same thing as Steve K.,
since
> if nothing else, Deadheads sustain an oral tradition that's equal to
> anything drug fiends in the Mission ever devised ... are there any
Deadheads
> in our house? - Livin' on reds, vitamin C and cocaine, still (barely)
> truckin' on - Joseph C. ('60s anachronism)
>
> "Steve K." wrote: "I didn't chime in earlier, because I figured someone
else
> would, but it's my understanding that there's also been a longstanding
4:20
> tie-in to the Greatful Dead, as in the question "It's 4:19, do you have a
> minute?" (a sentiment that has been since bumper-stickerized) as a way of
> asking anyone if they had any pot to sell. (I mention the Greatful Dead,
> because the bumper stickers I've seen like that were associated with the
> Greatful Dead.) If there's a deadhead out there than can further
enlighten
> us with their connection to the phrase, please chime in!"
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