Dennis R. Preston
preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU
Fri Sep 7 18:31:17 UTC 2001
Why must this be derived from "be have" and not "behave" with initial
(unstressed) syllable deletion (as in tater, coon, possum, mater, and
lots of other such words)?
I have certainly heard the "I am being have" children's story enough
to believe it (and believe it is a process which language acquirers
duplicate often), but it does not seem relevant here.
>This debate is going beyond what I had anticipated.
>In the context of the song, "She just won't have" undoubtedly
>means "she just won't act in a decorous manner because she is too
>spirited, too full of the spirit of jazz".
>If we do not derive the statement "She just won't have" from the
>expression "be have" (= "act nice"), then from what idiom do we derive
>George A. Thompson
>Author of A Documentary History of "The African
>Theatre", Northwestern Univ. Pr., 1998.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lynne Murphy <lynnem at COGS.SUSX.AC.UK>
>Date: Friday, September 7, 2001 9:07 am
>Subject: Re: "being have"
>> --On Thursday, September 6, 2001 7:31 pm -0400 George Thompson
>> <george.thompson at NYU.EDU> wrote:
>> > Lynne Murphy objects that in the passage
>> > "She came in on the Charleston wave, / What I told you, she just
>> > won't have"
>> > "there's no 'be' there--so I don't think this is a case of 'to
>> be have'
>> > at all. "
>> > But "will" (won't) is the future tense of "be". So that in this
>> > instance the idea of "being have" is so assimilated that the
>> verb has
>> > been adapted.
>> I don't see this at all. I parse 'being haive' as be + adj or
>> adv, and one
>> can't saw "I won't happy" or "I won't there"--you've gotta have
>> the 'be'.
>> > I'll concede that this analysis/joke on of "behave" is sufficiently
>> > obvious that it may have been invented ndependently many times. I
>> > think I don't concede that "she just won't have" should be read
>> as "she
>> > just won't 'have" ("behave" truncated of its first syllable).
>> Yeah, Arnold's probably right on this point.
>> M Lynne Murphy
>> Lecturer in Linguistics
>> School of Cognitive and Computing Sciences
>> University of Sussex
>> Brighton BN1 9QH
>> phone +44-(0)1273-678844
>> fax +44-(0)1273-671320
Dennis R. Preston
Department of Linguistics and Languages
Michigan State University
East Lansing MI 48824-1027 USA
preston at pilot.msu.edu
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