I got diphthongs out the gazoo!
Dennis R. Preston
preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU
Sun Sep 22 12:23:42 UTC 2002
Assuming you are not counting the phoney [ij], [ej], [uw], and [ow],
I know of your [ay], [aw], [Oj], and (perhaps) [Iw] (if you really do
say "Tuesday" and "news" that way). I can't find your fifth.
But you must suspect that my losses of [aj] ("night" is nearly
homophonous with "not") and [Oj] ("oil" is nearly homophonous with
"all") have somehow reduced my diphthongal inventory, while, in fact,
my number so far outstrips yours as to leave you panting on the
tundra you call home:
[aj] as in bait
[ej] as in beat
[i@] as in bit (@ = schwa)
[e@] as in bet
[aej] as in bat
[aew] as in bout
[aw] as bought
This without referring to the fact that with drawling any monophthong
can be made a diphthong and the above diphthongs can all be made
Stick with low front vowel raising. You out of your league when it
comes to thonging.
>Naah. I've got five diphthongs to your three.
>> Nonsense; you've conflated the vowels of "hoarse" and "horse" and
>> haven't distinguished /w/ from /hw/ for decades or more. Moral
>> superiority in phoneme-counting and/or partial neutralization is only
>> a figment of the self-important Michigan esteem for its own deficient
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Dennis R. Preston"
>> >> Definitely not an archiphoneme (though it warms my heart to see the
>> >> word early on Saturday morning). Not all neutralization is
>> >> archiphonemic. In this case the merger of /O/ and /a/ (as in most
>> >> western US dialects, Eastern New England and a growing band across
>> >> the Midland) does not result in an archiphoneme; it simply results in
>> >> phoneme loss. I have one more phoneme than such speakers (and clearly
>> >> a great deal of moral superiority by possessing it).
>> >One more phoneme! What moral superiority! I guess since my SE Mich
>> >has phonemicized Canadian Raising before /d/, /nd/, and in open
>> >and I don't have the /O/ /a/ merger, your moral superiority is trumped.
>> >Don't mess with native Michiganders.
>> Dennis R. Preston
>> Professor of Linguistics
>> Department of Linguistics and Languages
>> 740 Wells Hall A
>> Michigan State University
>> East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
>> Office - (517) 353-0740
>> Fax - (517) 432-2736
Dennis R. Preston
Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics and Languages
740 Wells Hall A
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
Office - (517) 353-0740
Fax - (517) 432-2736
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