I got diphthongs out the gazoo!
hstahlke at WORLDNET.ATT.NET
Sun Sep 22 21:16:27 UTC 2002
You missed the CR part. I do have Oj but no Iw. I also have @j and @w
before voiceless obstruents A:j and A:w elsewhere. I don't have aj, a:j,
aw, or a:w. The fourth and fifth diphthongs arise because I contrast @X
with A:X before -d, -nd, and in open syllables:
/k at jnd/ n. vs. /kA:jnd/ adj.
/f at jnd/ v. vs. /fA:jnd/ v. + past tense
/h at jd/ v. vs. /hA:jd/ n.
/h at j/ intj. vs /hA:j/ adj.
/@j/ pro. vs. /A:j/ n.
/h at jR/ v. vs. /hA:jR/ adj. + comp., R is a rhotic schwa
/r at wnd/ prep. vs. /rA:wnd/ adj.
and some one syllable vs. two syllable cases:
/@wts at jd/ adv. v. /sA:jd/
/b at h@jnd/ prep. v. /hA:jnd/ both n. and adj.
Obviously the length in the non-raised diphthong is redundant, since all of
my non-raised diphthongs, even in cases where I don't have minimal pairs,
are long. My raised diphthongs in the data above, however, are short, just
as they are before voiceless obstruents.
I also have a raising alternation between /@r/ and /Ar/ as in /pA:r/ "par"
vs. /p at rt/ "part". However, I also have /k at rv/, with the raised, shortened
diphthong, but I haven't found any minimal pairs with /r/.
I have /O/ only in /Oj/ and /Or/. In my low back contrast I have low back
unrounded vs. low back rounded, script a vs. inverted script a. I'm no sure
what to use for those in ASCII.
However, I surrender to your vast stock of slothful Kentucky diphthongs.
> Assuming you are not counting the phoney [ij], [ej], [uw], and [ow],
> I know of your [ay], [aw], [Oj], and (perhaps) [Iw] (if you really do
> say "Tuesday" and "news" that way). I can't find your fifth.
> But you must suspect that my losses of [aj] ("night" is nearly
> homophonous with "not") and [Oj] ("oil" is nearly homophonous with
> "all") have somehow reduced my diphthongal inventory, while, in fact,
> my number so far outstrips yours as to leave you panting on the
> tundra you call home:
> [aj] as in bait
> [ej] as in beat
> [i@] as in bit (@ = schwa)
> [e@] as in bet
> [aej] as in bat
> [aew] as in bout
> [aw] as bought
> This without referring to the fact that with drawling any monophthong
> can be made a diphthong and the above diphthongs can all be made
> Stick with low front vowel raising. You out of your league when it
> comes to thonging.
> >Naah. I've got five diphthongs to your three.
> >> Nonsense; you've conflated the vowels of "hoarse" and "horse" and
> >> haven't distinguished /w/ from /hw/ for decades or more. Moral
> >> superiority in phoneme-counting and/or partial neutralization is only
> >> a figment of the self-important Michigan esteem for its own deficient
> >> dialect.
> >> dInIs
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Dennis R. Preston"
> >> >
> >> >> Definitely not an archiphoneme (though it warms my heart to see
> >> >> word early on Saturday morning). Not all neutralization is
> >> >> archiphonemic. In this case the merger of /O/ and /a/ (as in most
> >> >> western US dialects, Eastern New England and a growing band across
> >> >> the Midland) does not result in an archiphoneme; it simply results
> >> >> phoneme loss. I have one more phoneme than such speakers (and
> >> >> a great deal of moral superiority by possessing it).
> >> >
> >> >One more phoneme! What moral superiority! I guess since my SE Mich
> >> >has phonemicized Canadian Raising before /d/, /nd/, and in open
> >> >and I don't have the /O/ /a/ merger, your moral superiority is
> >> >Don't mess with native Michiganders.
> >> >
> >> >Herb
> >> --
> >> Dennis R. Preston
> >> Professor of Linguistics
> >> Department of Linguistics and Languages
> >> 740 Wells Hall A
> >> Michigan State University
> >> East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
> >> Office - (517) 353-0740
> >> Fax - (517) 432-2736
> Dennis R. Preston
> Professor of Linguistics
> Department of Linguistics and Languages
> 740 Wells Hall A
> Michigan State University
> East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
> Office - (517) 353-0740
> Fax - (517) 432-2736
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