slider/Slyder(R), Gut-bo

Dave Wilton dave at WILTON.NET
Sat Feb 14 23:46:30 UTC 2004

There's a White Castle in Toms River on Route 37, near the Hooper Ave
intersection. Those who go to the beach in Seaside or Island Beach State
Park pass it on their way from the Parkway. It's relatively new (the last
decade or so). As I said earlier, Toms River was devoid of White Castle
until after I grew up and left town.

--Dave Wilton
  dave at

> -----Original Message-----
> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf
> Of James A. Landau
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: slider/Slyder(R), Gut-bo
> In a message dated  Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:20:53 -0500,  "Kathleen E. Miller"
> <millerk at NYTIMES.COM> writes:
> >  There is a White Castle on the Black Horse Pike going down the
> shore in NJ.
> >  Having grown-up in Indiana it was a new experience for me in the early
> >  80's. Dad, however, had recollection of the place going back to the
> >  mid-40's when he would go down the shore with Pop-Pop and Nana.
> There used to be a White Castle on the corner of the Black Horse Pike and
> Noah's Road in Pleasantville, but it closed down maybe ten years
> ago and was
> replaced by a Goodyear store.  Currently there is NO White Castle
> on the Black
> Horse Pike east of Sicklerville (where the BHP meets the
> Expressway), nor on US
> 40 nor on US 322 anywhere in New Jersey.  The only White Castle
> in New Jersey
> that I know of is on NJ 27 between New Brunswick and Princeton.
> What the White Horse Pike is noted for is go-go danceries,
> including the one
> whose marquee reads
>      now serving lunch
> If in the 1950's a White Castle hamburger was a "slider", did the
> term derive
> from the baseball pitch (which did not become common in the major leagures
> until circa 1950)?
> For what it's worth, I have no recollection of coming across the name
> "Pop-Pop" until after I moved to New Jersey in 1986.
> For the benefit of those not familiar with South Jersey, there
> are two roads
> running from Camden to Atlantic City.  The White Horse Pike (US
> 30) runs from
> the Ben Franklin Bridge to the "Inlet" (northern) section of
> Atlantic City.
> The Black Horse Pike runs from the Walt Whitman Bridge to the "Downbeach"
> (southern) section of Atlantic City, and various portions of it
> are numbered as US
> 40, US 322, NJ 42, and NJ 168.  I am told that the name "White Horse Pike"
> came first and is from the name of a tavern on the road.
>      - Jim Landau

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