Angels Biscuits; "Civilization is judged by prisoner treatment"

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   I received in the mail an ADS-related promotion to buy the DICTIONARY OF
SMOKY MOUNTAIN ENGLISH (710 pages, hardcover, University of Tennessee Press,
2004) by Michael B. Montgomery and Joseph S. Hall, for $60.  It's probably the
book of the year.
   There are several regional phrases and food terms in the book, so let's
get right to destroying it.  "Angel biscuit" is cited from 1996.

Lima News - 1/7/1962
...MARY LOU NAVARRE 1915 Jo Jean Road ANGEL BISCUITS 1 pkg. compressed yeast
2.....for 10 to 12 minutes. Makes 12 to 16 BISCUITS. MRS. CLIFFORD HUNTWORK
108 W..
Lima, Ohio Sunday, January 07, 1962  892 k

Lima News - 1/28/1962
...Dr. Gaymont's father, also ANGEL BISCUITS 1 pkg. compressed yeast
2.....for 10 to 12 minutes. Makes 12 to 16 BISCUITS. MRS. CLIFFORD IIUNTWORK m W..
Lima, Ohio Sunday, January 28, 1962  361 k

Great Bend Daily Tribune - 2/27/1966
...Scalloped Potatoes Wax Beans O'Brien ANGEL BISCUIT Honey Butter Orange
Slush.....father, chose a floorlength gown of ANGEL satin designed with a back
Great Bend, Kansas Sunday, February 27, 1966  580 k

Mansfield News Journal - 2/15/1976 Mansfield General Hospital. Make ANGEL BISCUITS for a Heavenly Treat
Dear.....of-the-mill kind, but is aptly named, "ANGEL BISCUITS." I know someone
Mansfield, Ohio Sunday, February 15, 1976  570 k

Chronicle Telegram - 9/19/1984
...90038.) that the correct name is ANGEL BISCUITS. Any help you could
give.....The first is the standard recipe for ANGEL BISCUITS, but it doesn't
Elyria, Ohio Wednesday, September 19, 1984  408 k


   Winston Churchill once said that a civilization could be judged by the way
it treated its prisoners.  Not so, says Dr. Dalyrmple.  "One can admire the
civilization of Renaissance Florence without having many illusions as to how it
treated its prisoners."
---"Can Everyone Be Brutal?" by William F. Buckley, Jr., NEW  YORK SUN, 24
May 2004, pg. 11, col. 1.

   I've been have a hard time finding this and its many variations.  It
certainly was said in some form much earlier than Winston Churchill.

Lincoln Star - 7/5/1971
...s level of civilzation is the way it TREATS ITS PRISONERS." Better
Services.....munist command's offer to release all PRISONERS of war simultaneous with
Lincoln, Nebraska Monday, July 05, 1971  928 k

News - 2/2/1995
...can be judged by how it TREATS ITS PRISONERS. Also by how it TREATS and women, would temporarily close ITS doors to all civilians except
Frederick, Maryland Thursday, February 02, 1995  564 k

From: Frank Lynch (frankl at
Subject: Re: Churchill quote?
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Date: 1999/11/28

WingNut4 wrote:> Did Churchill ever say "you can judge a country by the way
it treats its> prisoners" or something to that effect?>> I can remember
someone's wife (Roosevelts?) say something similar - "the> true test of civilisation
is how well it cares for its helpless" and I was> wondering if the Churchill
quote was just some sort of derivative from this.Earlier than either, I
have:"Where a great proportion of the people are suffered to languish in
helplessmisery, that country must be ill policed, and wretchedly governed: a
decentprovision for the poor is the true test of civilization."-    Samuel Johnson
(Boswell: Life of Johnson)Frank Lynch--The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is

California Commission on the Status of Women. Reports, Hearings,
Recommendations, etc.. Sacramento: Jul 31, 1993. p. 1
"A civilization will be judged by now it treats its elderly." Winston

From: Alex Chernavsky (alex at
Subject: Re: looking for a quote
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Date: 2001-02-08 08:25:38 PST

Peter Morris wrote:

> This is  paraphrased, but  it goes something like
> " The standard of civilization in a country may
> be judged by the way it treats its prisonners "
> who said it, and what are the exact words.

Apparently, several different people have said something like that:

====Begin quote====

Edmonton Public Library
Info file: Detail for A True Test of Society


"The true test of society is how well it treats its prisoners and old
people." This phrase has its roots in several different sources.

Pearl Buck in My Several Worlds p. 337 wrote "Yet somehow our society must
make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or to be
deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is in the way that it cares
for its helpless members."

Winston Churchill also wrote in Closing the Ring on p. 679 that, "Nothing
can be more abhorrent to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in
prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization."

Dostoevsky reportedly said that "The degree of civilization in a society can
be judged by entering its prisons."

Lastly John F. Kennedy in a message to Congress said that "On the basis of
his study of the world's great civilizations, the historian Toynbee
concluded that a society's quality and durability can best be measured 'by
the respect and care given its elderly citizens.'"

Sources: _RQ Winter 1985_.

====End quote====

Alex Chernavsky
alex at

(Searches for "civilization is judged" and "civilization + judged + treats +
Edwardsville Intelligencer - 10/2/1970
...that a CIVILIZATION may best be JUDGED by how it TREATS its most.....a
visit to a physician, when two other PRISONERS overpowered the deputy, using..
Edwardsville, Illinois   Friday, October 02, 1970  741 k

Chronicle Telegram - 5/10/1987
...begin to describe. Someone said our CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED on how we
treat.....Corps. The hours are long. The work IS hard. The pay IS zip. Babies
Elyria, Ohio   Sunday, May 10, 1987  528 k

Valley News - 4/5/1955
...the 'story of mankind. The toent of CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED 'partly by
their.....5, 1 955 Arts, Crafts Center Work IS Described The story of pottery
Van Nuys, California   Tuesday, April 05, 1955  696 k
Pg. 8A, col. 1:  The story of pottery making is another way of telling the
story of mankind.  The advancement of civilization is judged partly by their

News - 5/19/1967
...and child. HIS level of CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED by the vvav IK' keens
these.....the safety of our products. ThIS IS not our he said. Investigation IS..
Frederick, Maryland   Friday, May 19, 1967  589 k

Gettysburg Times - 5/11/1987
...begin to describe. Someone said our CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED on how we
treat.....that the fat in chocolate, and there IS a lot of it, IS unhealthy fat..
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania   Monday, May 11, 1987  499 k

Sheboygan Press - 3/30/1964
...that ei Willie Pastrano and Gregono a CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED in great
Peralta.....than before. IS analyze the lead. IS review the bidding. IS NORTH
Sheboygan, Wisconsin   Monday, March 30, 1964  693 k

Valley Independent - 3/30/1964
...of the nation it IS by its tbat a CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED in great part
by.....a sportscaster for IS on. Dan Dailey IS Dean, Richard Crenna IS brother
Monessen, Pennsylvania   Monday, March 30, 1964  743 k

Frederick Post - 5/19/1967
...and child. HIS level of CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED by the way he keeps these
less.....their sales quotas. Wilkinson. who IS at left above, IS receiving hIS
Frederick, Maryland   Friday, May 19, 1967  807 k

Oshkosh Daily Northwestern - 9/24/1975
...Seventy plus years, old age. A CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED by what it
does.....who have been aiming at him, it IS, in one sense laudable. But it IS in..
Oshkosh, Wisconsin   Wednesday, September 24, 1975  746 k

Mountain Democrat - 5/11/1987
...begin to describe. Someone said our CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED on how we
treat.....of keeping accurate records. There IS no charge for the seminar, which
Placerville, California   Monday, May 11, 1987  587 k

Oshkosh Daily Northwestern - 3/30/1946
...of the nation it IS by its arts that a CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED in great
part by.....subject as America today. The fact -IS, such a project IS impossible
in an..
Oshkosh, Wisconsin   Saturday, March 30, 1946  764 k
Pg. 22, col. 1:  ...for it is by its arts that a civilization is judged in
great part by future generations.

CLUB WOMEN SUPPORT MATERNITY AID DRIVE; Opening of National Campaign and
Appeal for Needy to Mark Mother's Day Tomorrow. FATHERS TO AID MOTHERS. Maternity
Centre Head Sees Them Also Caring for Babies.
New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: May 9, 1931. p. 18 (1
  "It is a known fact," she said, "that the advancement of civilization is
judged by the care given to mothers at childbirth."

New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 11, 1937. p. 16 (1
  In the long run a civilization is judged not by its factories but by its
libraries and museums, not by physical and material bases of its life but by its
architecture, its schools, its music, its drama and its general esthetic

Johnson Breaks Ground at Kennedy Center; Political Figures and Celebrities
Attend Capital Ceremony
By NAN ROBERTSONSpecial to The New York Times. New York Times (1857-Current
file). New York, N.Y.: Dec 3, 1964. p. 58 (1 page):
  Senator-elect Robert F. Kennedy told of his brother's belief "that America
is judged as every civilization is judged--in large measure by the quality of
its artistic achievement."

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