Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: nasi goreng (1938, 1939)
flanigan at OHIOU.EDU
Fri Jan 21 18:53:59 UTC 2005
Here's a comment on "nasi goreng" by a Javanese/Indonesian colleague of mine.
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>From: Suharni Soemarmo <soemarms at ohio.edu>
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>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: nasi goreng (1938, 1939)
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>Actually fried rice "nasi goreng" is not complicated. What is intended is
>probably "nasi rames", a small version of "rijstafel," a 21-course
>dinner. The rice is put on a plate with at least ten kinds of side dish,
>usually without sauce.
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>>>I am Indonesian, to be more specific I am Javanese. What Mr. ZImmer
>>>wrote is correct about nasi goreng: there's no standard way of making
>>>nasi goreng and what ingredients are used. However, there are certain
>>>exact similarities among those differences: you must grind all
>>>ingredients (spices), like cabai, salt, onion, garlic, before you star
>>>frying the rice, and the result of grinding here is "sambel ulek" (not
>>>sambel ulik") :). And most people will use soy sauce (kecap) and egg.
>>>Most chinese restaurants in Indonesia consider nasi goreng as their
>>>main food to sell. Besides all the ingredients I mentioned earlier,
>>>the chinese in Indonesia will put (optionally) shrimp, sausage, meat
>>>balls (we call it here bakso), squid, ham, lamb, even petai or pete
>>>(small look-like-nut vegetable and can cause smell in your mouth and
>>>urine after consuming it; this is loved by many lower middle people[and
>>>some upper middle, but they wouldn't admit it :p ]). hopefully this
>>>info will benefit our understanding about fried rice...
>>>Benjamin Zimmer <bgzimmer at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU> wrote:
>>>OED3 has 1958 for "nasi goreng" (Indonesian/Malaysian fried rice). I'm
>>>sure Barry can do better, but here are LA Times cites from 1938 and
>>>Los Angeles Times, May 23, 1938, p. III4/5
>>>FRIED RICE (Nasi Goreng)
>>>As its Malay name implies, this consists basically of rice fried until it
>>>is brown. There is no uniform recipe by which other ingredients are
>>>determined; individual taste and chance as to ingredients available are
>>>determining factors, with the result that the dish is never the same in
>>>any two households. Usually small cubes of meat, fish or chicken are
>>>fried with the rice. Sliced onions and cocoanut may be included. Spices
>>>used include paprika and "sambal ulik" (very hot red pepper).
>>>Los Angeles Times, Sep 4, 1939, p. II2/8
>>>At the Dutch East Indies restaurant I found a 21-course feast called
>>>"What," I inquired of the beturbaned brown man who brought the 16th
>>>offering, "is this tasty dish?"
>>>"Thank you," I said, "and tell me, do you Javanese fear a Japanese
>>>invasion?" "Nasi goreng."
>>>Los Angeles Times, Sep 24, 1939, p. I11/2
>>>A great many Javanese dishes would not be practical for home cooking,
>>>because so many spices are needed and must be so skilfully comibned. But
>>>one of the chef's special dishes is entirely practical and very, very
>>>good. He calls it fried rice nasi Goreng, and he has given us the
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