Croque madame and [an]arthrocity
Joel S. Berson
Berson at ATT.NET
Tue Dec 4 01:59:32 UTC 2007
At 12/3/2007 08:43 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky wrote:
>On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Joel Berson wrote:
>>At 12/3/2007 03:41 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky wrote:
>>>... (i see that "croque monsieur" and
>>>"souvlaki" have made the cut.)
>>But not "croque madame". Is there still gender bias in the OED? (As
>>well as on the web: 77,000 Google hits -- including, he said
>>arthrously,* The Wikipedia -- compared with 637,000 for "croque
>well, "croque monsieur" came first, and "croque madame" was a play on
But, as some say, it's not transparent. Who would deduce the egg on
top, not part of a croque monsieur?
>>* Not in OED3, nor is "arthrous". Do I have an antedating?
>oh wow. i hadn't thought to check. i first recall reading this in
>mike and bea hall's 1970 paper entitled "A problem in rule ordering:
>Anarthrous locatives in Yiddish". [for bibliographers: R.M.R. &
>Beatrice Hall; i first met them in, omigod, 1964.]
OED3 needs to broaden its definition. anarthrous: "1. Of Greek ns.:
Used without the article." The only quotations are about the Greek
language. (The single quotation for "anarthrousness" seems unclear
about what language the "commonest terms" of Christianity were being
>>>... (the only google hit i got for "domozoic" was a website
>>>trace the Levitical prohibition against eating shellfish to the
>>>possibility of poisoning by domozoic acid. i am dubious.)
>>"The reason is not explained in the Tora." Alfred J. Kolatch, _The
>>Jewish Book of Why_ (1981), p. 89.
>people are forever trying to explain the levitical prohibitions
>against certain foods on an entrely rational basis. while i'm not
>willing to go all the way on explanations that turn on rather high-
>level cultural assumptions, i think there's a lot in them. but of
>course the Tora(h) isn't going to explain; unclean is unclean.
I don't have access to the "some say, others say" literature.
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