Another initial "vl"

Mark Mandel thnidu at GMAIL.COM
Fri Dec 28 19:34:44 UTC 2007

It was on a single note in the sheet music. That may have been due to
phonological ignorance (laymanhood) on the part of the transcriber, who may
or may not have been Georgian. I have our sheet music somewhere in a file.

m a m

On Dec 28, 2007 1:57 PM, Dennis R. Preston <preston at> wrote:

> Good example of the article I recommended earlier. The /r/ in
> "brtsq'in" is the nucleus of the first syllable, so brtsq is
> definitely not a cluster. It syllabifies like this: br-tsq'in,
> dInIs
> >Poster:       Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >When in grad school in Berkeley I sang with a men's chorus called
> >"Slavyanka" (an SF offshoot of the Yale Russian Chorus), singing Russian
> and
> >other Slavic and other USSR music. I provided some advice on
> pronunciation,
> >but for Georgian I wrote to my aunt, Dee Ann Holisky, who was one of the
> >handful of Georganists in the US. Georgian has a thousand-year-old
> tradition
> >of 3-part men's liturgical music, very beautiful and quite different from
> >the more familiar Western European forms.
> >
> >One of our pieces was "Shen Xar" ("x" = voiceless velar fricative, IPA
> [x]),
> >a hymn to the Virgin. I still remember most of it (tenor? baritone?
> part),
> >especially the last line; in ASCII,
> >
> >     mze xar ga brtsq'in vebuli
> >
> >In the fourth word, "ts" is an alveolar affricate and "q'" is a uvular
> >ejective. Dee wrote (paraphrasing) "You can drop the /r/ if you need to,
> but
> >DO NOT insert a vowel in the cluster."
> >
> >Oh, and musically you can't attach the "b" to the preceding word. The
> "ga"
> >is no way proclitic: it's a long melisma, about 3 seconds, and then
> >"brtsq'in" has the downbeat.  :-)
> >
> >m a m

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