/w/-/hw/ again

[Dennis Preston]

Ah! You open o ~/o/  before /r/ conflaters again!
How can y'all understand one another?

dInIs


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>At 1:10 PM -0600 12/28/07, Barbara Need wrote:
>>Probably not. [Cw] generally > [C] / __ [o] (possibly [+round], but I
>>don't have my references handy to confirm this).
>>
>>So in addition to the whole and whore offered by Charles Doyle, we
>>have <sword> pronounced [sord].
>>
>>Barbara
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>An argument for rule ordering, perhaps?  For me,
>it's [sOrd] but [swOrDi] (for swarthy), both with
>open o's but only the former leading to
>w-dropping.
>
>LH
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>>On 28 Dec 2007, at 12:52, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>
>>>Yes; but not my sense of "ever"; I meant is there
>>>any attested modern survival of a /hw/ in "who"
>>>(as there obviosuly are in my own mouth for what,
>>>where, why,metc..., but not who.)
>>>
>>>dInIs
>>>
>>>>Poster:       Barbara Need <nee1 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
>>>>
>>>>Yes. In Old English (hwa)!
>>>>
>>>>Barbara
>>>>
>>>>Barbara Need
>>>>UChicago
>>>>
>>>>On 27 Dec 2007, at 16:27, Dennis Preston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Has there ever been a pronunciation of "who" with /hw/?
>>>>>
>>>>>   dInIs
>>>>>
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>>>>>>   Subject:      /w/-/hw/ again
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>>>>>>    From a recent column about a legendary Boston politician:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <FreddieÃs greatest moment came during his Parkman House hearings,
>>>>>>   when
>>>>>>   he exposed Mayor WhiteÃs profligate spending at his palatial home
>>>>>>   away
>>>>>>   from home.
>>>>>>   ¦Who ate at the Parkman House?" Freddie thundered, his unlit cigar
>>>>>>   clenched in his teeth. ¦H-W-O-H - who?">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?
>>>>>>   articleid=1062332
>>>>>>
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Dennis R. Preston
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Department of English
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Michigan State University
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