Mark Mandel thnidu at GMAIL.COM
Mon Apr 21 17:41:56 UTC 2008

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Arnold M. Zwicky
<zwicky at> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>  > OK, I stand dialectally corrected. MOST English dialects don't have
>  > pure [o] or [e].
>  but those facts don't bear directly on the choice of a phonemic
>  transcription.  if separate symbols are used for tense and lax vowels,
>  as in IPA, then an indication of an offglide on the tense vowels is
>  not needed in a phonemic transcription, even for dialects that have
>  offglides; it's a matter of phonetic detail.

True, but Damien's example that confused Joel used <ow> for English
phonemic tense /o/, vs.<O> for English phonemic lax /<turned c>/,  so
I thought it worth while to explain what the <w> was doing there.

Mark Mandel

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