Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Mon Apr 21 18:00:19 UTC 2008

I'd like to hear examples of these things. For sample words spoken in other languages try They have words of the day in other languages.  I don't believe off-glides are part of diphthongs such as for the long vowels.  Off glides happen before some consonants and not before others.  To me all long vowels sound like one-phthong not two. I'd be glad to hear words spoken in that illustrate the difference.  Or perhaps a qlippit as I have sent here.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:57:45 -0700
> From: zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU
> Subject: Re: Rosa/rowz@
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> Poster: "Arnold M. Zwicky"
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> On Apr 20, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>>>> Mark Mandel wrote:
>>>>> English doesn't have pure [o]; Italian or French often does.
>>>>> English
>>>>> "long vowels" are all diphthongs.
>>> At 7:17 PM -0400 4/20/08, Michael Covarrubias wrote:
>>>> Tell dat dere to a Minnesotan, den
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Laurence Horn
>>  wrote:
>>> Or a youper; one of the most noticeable traits of Upper Peninsula
>>> (MI) English is precisely the "pure" long vowels, presumably because
>>> of the influence from the Finnish substrate.
>> OK, I stand dialectally corrected. MOST English dialects don't have
>> pure [o] or [e].
> but those facts don't bear directly on the choice of a phonemic
> transcription. if separate symbols are used for tense and lax vowels,
> as in IPA, then an indication of an offglide on the tense vowels is
> not needed in a phonemic transcription, even for dialects that have
> offglides; it's a matter of phonetic detail.
> arnold
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