wikipedia pronunciation

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Jul 4 03:23:43 UTC 2009


At 1:40 AM +0000 7/4/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>You'll have to work out the "logic" with the British Council report:
>
>Count of true native speakers of English.
>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:English_dialects1997.png
>The British Council report from 2000 seems to be
>the newest and most reliable source. Dumbledore
>12:08, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC).  Data (only true
>native speakers!):
>                     American    British
>Canadian    Australian    Other    Total
>Percentage          67.2        16.9       5.8
>4.5           5.5      100.0
>Absolute (000s)     226,710     56,990
>19,700      15,316        18,581   337,297
>
>Look at a map of the USA.  England is about the size of Louisiana.
>

Why are we limiting the count to "true native
speakers"?  As Scot notes, English is spoken in a
lot of places other than those counted above, and
by a lot more speakers.  Indian English is sui
generis, but is a lot closer to varieties of
British English in most ways than it is to U.S.
English.  Have you interacted with call center
help lines recently?

LH

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>>  Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:53:48 -0500
>>  From: slafaive at GMAIL.COM
>>  Subject: Re: wikipedia pronunciation
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>>>  The majority form of English is USA English, because 70% of native English
>>>  speakers are in the USA.
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>>  Faulty logic here. (Plus, I would like to see the research on this.) What
>>  about those who learn English as a second language in places like China,
>>  India, and Europe? Are they learning American English, British English
>>  (Received Pronunciation), or some other dialect? What about the native
>>  English speakers in England, Australia, Canada, and other English speaking
>>  countries?
>>
>>  Scot
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>>  On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:43 AM, David Bowie wrote:
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>>>  From: Tom Zurinskas
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>>>
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>>>>  My take is this. The internet is mainly written in English. It was
>>>>  invented by English speaking people. English is the lingua franca of
>>>>  the world. 95% of the scientific journals are in English, including
>>>>  the IPA journal which switched to English in 1970 after being created
>>>>  in France and published in French for 90 years. Thus the
>>>>  pronunciation guide used here should be English friendly. The IPA is
>>>>  not. The majority form of English is USA English, because 70% of
>>>>  native English speakers are in the USA.
>>>
>>>  You invested in an asbestos company recently, i take it?
>>>
>>>  David Bowie
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