PM and "Barnaby"

Joel S. Berson Berson at ATT.NET
Sat Jul 11 19:45:44 UTC 2009

At 7/11/2009 02:58 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>Are you old enough to remember PM, Joel?

Nah; it was read to me at my mother's knee.

>When I was young, PM was the
>"white" newspaper of choice among blacks, IME. For some reason, -
>probably because I was so young, at the time, the I have a *very*
>clear memory of "Barnaby" (I thought that his name was pronounced "bar
>NAY bee") and his fairy godfather, "Mr. O'Malley."

Are you old enough to remember Fiorello reading
"Barnaby" when PM wasn't available, Wilson?  (The
newspaper strike.)  I think I actually have the
book (books?) on my shelf somewhere.


>On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at> wrote:
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> > Subject:      Re: Pairing "biased" media
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> > Victor's suggestions are useful.  And I must remember the Boston
> > Herald, the newspaper of record in my (and my friend's) metropolitan
> > area, and accessible--at least the day's issue--to her
> > students.  (It's remarkable how few libraries hold copies of the
> > Herald beyond a few days or weeks.)
> >
> > But I'm hoping first of all for bias, apparent or hidden, in
> > "reporting"; I'll turn to "opinion" second.
> >
> > The simplest assignment might be to say "Find the same event reported
> > in the Herald and the Globe, and compare".  Or maybe PM (alas;
> > although there's a new biography of I. F. Stone) and the Daily News.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > At 7/11/2009 01:17 PM, Victor wrote:
> >>Hmmm... Fox vs. CNN is not really a fair comparison of *bias*. CNN may
> >>appear neutral on average, but that does not mean that that they are
> >>uniformly neutral. Lou Dobbs is always a great source of xenophobic
> >>bias, so it's not exactly "opposite" from Fox. The same is true of
> >>NYT--depends on topic and human subject, although columns usually show
> >>bias (see below). For the most part, however, CNN may appear biased (to
> >>the left) only to those who regularly watch Fox News.
> >>
> >>On the other hand, if print sources are desired, Washington Times and
> >>WSJ editorial page are great sources of bias in one direction. Boston
> >>Herald and NYPost columnists are also a good source of bias on the
> >>right. On the other side, most (but not all) columnists in the Boston
> >>Globe. NYT is one of many who try to balance their editorial content.
> >>Once you know who the conservative columnists are (and exclude Maureen
> >>Dowd from consideration), the rest can be used for left-leaning bias.
> >>
> >>Generally, there are several sources that collect "conservative"
> >>columnists. The two largest (and largely overlapping) are
> >>and regurgitation receptacle. I can't really
> >>think of a comparable source on the left. Of course, if you really want
> >>deteriorating prose and constant insults, there are always blogs.
> >>
> >>    VS-)
> >>
> >>Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >>>Also Fox vs. CNN.  Fo also goes out of its way to bash the N.Y. Times
> >>>whenever possible.
> >>>
> >>>You have to be very observant to ascertain
> that Fox and CNN are reporting on
> >>>the same country.
> >>>
> >>>JL
> >>>
> >>>On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>A friend wants to teach a session on bias in the media in her ESL
> >>>class.  She would like to have pairs (one or more on each side) of
> >>>media outlets (or whatever they're called) that have diametrically
> >>>opposed biases/slants/opinions -- television, newspaper, and magazine
> >>>pairs.  Particularly outlets that let bias creep into their
> >>>reporting, as opposed to those that try to keep opinion separated and
> >>>identified.
> >>>
> >>>For example, Fox News vs. (I think, but I do not watch it) MSNBC.
> >>>
> >>>Suggestions welcomed.
> >>>
> >>>Joel
> >>
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