PM and "Barnaby"

[Wilson Gray]

I know about that, but I was never in The City till *many* years after
that, not until PM was but a memory. What happened was that my
father's brother, who lived in NYC and "ran on the road" as a
dining-car waiter for the old Pennsylvania RR, used to bring it to us,
whenever he came to Saint Louis on vacation, etc. As is now true for
members of the military using Air Force planes (there is / was a term
for this, but I can't bring it to mind, at the moment) and for airline
employees, he could go anywhere for free by hooking up with a series
of trains headed in the right direction till he reached his
destination.

-Wilson

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> At 7/11/2009 02:58 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>>Are you old enough to remember PM, Joel?
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> Nah; it was read to me at my mother's knee.
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>>When I was young, PM was the
>>"white" newspaper of choice among blacks, IME. For some reason, -
>>probably because I was so young, at the time, the I have a *very*
>>clear memory of "Barnaby" (I thought that his name was pronounced "bar
>>NAY bee") and his fairy godfather, "Mr. O'Malley."
>
> Are you old enough to remember Fiorello reading
> "Barnaby" when PM wasn't available, Wilson? Â (The
> newspaper strike.) Â I think I actually have the
> book (books?) on my shelf somewhere.
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> Joel
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>
>>-Wilson
>>
>>On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>> > Victor's suggestions are useful. Â And I must remember the Boston
>> > Herald, the newspaper of record in my (and my friend's) metropolitan
>> > area, and accessible--at least the day's issue--to her
>> > students. Â (It's remarkable how few libraries hold copies of the
>> > Herald beyond a few days or weeks.)
>> >
>> > But I'm hoping first of all for bias, apparent or hidden, in
>> > "reporting"; I'll turn to "opinion" second.
>> >
>> > The simplest assignment might be to say "Find the same event reported
>> > in the Herald and the Globe, and compare". Â Or maybe PM (alas;
>> > although there's a new biography of I. F. Stone) and the Daily News.
>> >
>> > Joel
>> >
>> > At 7/11/2009 01:17 PM, Victor wrote:
>> >>Hmmm... Fox vs. CNN is not really a fair comparison of *bias*. CNN may
>> >>appear neutral on average, but that does not mean that that they are
>> >>uniformly neutral. Lou Dobbs is always a great source of xenophobic
>> >>bias, so it's not exactly "opposite" from Fox. The same is true of
>> >>NYT--depends on topic and human subject, although columns usually show
>> >>bias (see below). For the most part, however, CNN may appear biased (to
>> >>the left) only to those who regularly watch Fox News.
>> >>
>> >>On the other hand, if print sources are desired, Washington Times and
>> >>WSJ editorial page are great sources of bias in one direction. Boston
>> >>Herald and NYPost columnists are also a good source of bias on the
>> >>right. On the other side, most (but not all) columnists in the Boston
>> >>Globe. NYT is one of many who try to balance their editorial content.
>> >>Once you know who the conservative columnists are (and exclude Maureen
>> >>Dowd from consideration), the rest can be used for left-leaning bias.
>> >>
>> >>Generally, there are several sources that collect "conservative"
>> >>columnists. The two largest (and largely overlapping) are Townhall.com
>> >>and JewishWorldReview.com--BYO regurgitation receptacle. I can't really
>> >>think of a comparable source on the left. Of course, if you really want
>> >>deteriorating prose and constant insults, there are always blogs.
>> >>
>> >> Â  Â VS-)
>> >>
>> >>Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>> >>>Also Fox vs. CNN. Â Fo also goes out of its way to bash the N.Y. Times
>> >>>whenever possible.
>> >>>
>> >>>You have to be very observant to ascertain
>> that Fox and CNN are reporting on
>> >>>the same country.
>> >>>
>> >>>JL
>> >>>
>> >>>On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>A friend wants to teach a session on bias in the media in her ESL
>> >>>class. Â She would like to have pairs (one or more on each side) of
>> >>>media outlets (or whatever they're called) that have diametrically
>> >>>opposed biases/slants/opinions -- television, newspaper, and magazine
>> >>>pairs. Â Particularly outlets that let bias creep into their
>> >>>reporting, as opposed to those that try to keep opinion separated and
>> >>>identified.
>> >>>
>> >>>For example, Fox News vs. (I think, but I do not watch it) MSNBC.
>> >>>
>> >>>Suggestions welcomed.
>> >>>
>> >>>Joel
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>>--
>>-Wilson
>>ннн
>>All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
>>come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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>>-Mark Twain
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-Wilson
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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Mark Twain

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