caron

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Tue May 12 01:02:05 UTC 2009


"Hatcheck" indeed.  I knew someone named "Hacek" and his name was pronounced ~Hasek. So it was ~hasek for me since then.  But "hacek" in the pronunciation of a dictionary guide is pronounced like "hatcheck".  Who knew.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:30:43 -0400
> From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> Subject: Re: caron
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Poster: Laurence Horn
> Subject: Re: caron
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> At 1:47 AM -0700 5/11/09, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>At 12:17 PM -0400 5/10/09, Mark Mandel wrote:
>>>>>No tones? I see a caron over the "e".
>>>>>
>>>>Yes, I noticed that diacritic, but wasn't sure it was a tone,
>>>>especially since there was nothing tone-like on the first syllable,
>>>>but I confess I know about as much about Vietnamese orthography as I
>>>>do about playing linebacker for the Dallas Cowboys.
>>>>
>>>What first syllable? I'm referring to the only IPA the article gives
>>>for the name, at least up at the top:
>>>[=A9=D8wj=FB?n]
>>
>>i wasn't familiar with the term "caron". not in OED, NOAD2, or AHD4.
>>but there's a wikipedia page that says that it's a synonym of
>>"hacek" (imagine a hacek on the C and an acute accent on the A).
>>
>>arnold
>>
> I actually thought it was a breve when I first=20
> looked at the Dat Nguyen entry, and thus didn't=20
> process it as a tone indicator. But a caron it=20
> is, a term with which I had also been entirely=20
> unfamiliar.
>
> This "caron" has penult stress I assume, as=20
> opposed to actress Leslie or b-baller Butler,=20
> both of whom stress their final (albeit quite=20
> different) syllables. Wonder if Leslie Caron=20
> ever played a hat-check girl.
>
> LH
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