antedating "hobo" 1885

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Tue May 26 13:26:01 UTC 2009

I can't figure out your spreadsheet.  What has it got to do with the "o?o" tradstreeng?  What is it good for?
I looked at the Carnegie Mellon word list and phonetics.  Not useful for simple English phonetics as I've done.  It uses schwa, so it's not as accurate as truespel.
Has anyone used IPA in spreadsheets?

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+

> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:21:43 +0800
> From: strangeguitars at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: antedating "hobo" 1885
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> Poster: Randy Alexander
> Subject: Re: antedating "hobo" 1885
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> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>> What's great about truespel phonetics is that it's spreadsheet friendly.
> What's great about the ADS-L archives...
> that you can search for {spreadsheet friendly} (without braces), and
> find that that phrase has already been mentioned on ADS-L no less than
> *eight* times, all by Tom Zurinskas! Isn't that overkill?
> Using the 62k word list (column A) I searched the tradstreeng (letters in
>> sequence in traditional spelling) for o?o as in hobo (the ? stands for any
>> letter) and got 1,269 hits. Of those I searched the foestreeng (phonetic
>> string) of ~oe?oe (column B) as in hobo (long o followed by any letter and
>> then another long o) and got 159 hits.
> I did a similar thing using a spreadsheet I made. The first column is a
> word list compiled by Alan Beale, called "2 of 12". It is a list of 41k
> words, each of which was found in at least two out of a group of twelve
> dictionaries.
> The second column shows the vowel/consonant letter pattern. Vowels are
> represented by ^ consonants by #. AEIOU are vowels; all others are
> consonants. I made the patterns just by doing search and replace operations
> on each letter.
> The third column shows the pronunciations with accents. These were taken
> from the Carnegie-Mellon University Pronouncing Dictionary and modified to a
> form of SAMPA.
> The fourth column shows just the accent patterns, so I can search just on
> them.
> The fifth shows the pronunciations without accents.
> The sixth column shows the vowel/consonant pattern of the pronunciations,
> also using ^ and #.
> All of it is "spreadsheet friendly". You can even put IPA in a spreadsheet
> now if you want.
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