Ron Butters ronbutters at AOL.COM
Mon Nov 7 12:39:04 UTC 2011

the origin would seem to be largely irrelevant, given that the olfactory association seems to be pretty much universal among those who use the term. 4 what its worth, my own memory is that I first heard the term applied to women as a homosexual subculture usage, strongly pejorative and scornful.

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From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:45:54 AM GMT-0500
Subject: Re: [ADS-L] "moist"

Well, Civil War rookies were widely known as "fresh fish," not because
of any  moisture but because they were brand-new and stupid.

The prison use is almost as old.

As a term for women it is considerably more recent. How certain are we
of the latterly alleged origin of that usage?


On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
>> Pejoratively, women are "fish"
> As are newcomers to prison, whether male or female. as more likely to
> become victims victims of intrasexual prison rape than
> more-experienced inmates.
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