"offshore/onshore" adv., or prep.?

[Dan Goncharoff]

Just to clarify, I think both uses I provided, from over 200 years apart,
are prepositional.

I would define 'onshore' as 'on the shore of', referring to a body of
water, in these cases.

DanG


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> Dan's message forces me to admit that I am thoroughly confused as to
> the criteria for deciding whether each of the various instances given
> on ADS-L, and in the OED, should be classified as adverb or preposition.
>
> Take "onshore".  The OED does not list it as a preposition (it does
> list "offshore" as a preposition).  (Both entries are 3rd edition, 2004.)
>
> Some uses called adverbial by the OED:
> 1835   J. Ross Narr. 2nd Voy. xi. 173   Part of the crew was sent on
> shore for exercise.
> 1993   D. Lamb Sense of Place 29   Lewis walked onshore, making notes
> on topography, flora and fauna.
>
> One of Dan's instances below is:
> 2011  The Bakr W G1 and Bakr W H fields were discovered onshore the
> Gulf of Suez
>
> I admit that Dan doesn't explicitly call this a prepositional use,
> but he wrote in response to "offshore" "used the same way" -- that
> is, presented in previous messages as "prepositional".  What is the
> difference between these examples?  I could ask the same question
> about some of the examples of "offshore".
>
>
> I think I understand adjectival instances; and some of the examples
> given here previously seem to me to be adjectival.  For example, from
> Ben's message:
>
> "Apache drills globally, with operations in Australia, Alaska,
> Canada, Egypt and offshore England."
> "examples from the Triassic of onshore and offshore England and
> Northern Ireland"
>
> These can't be prepositional (or adverbial), can they, when preceded
> by the prepositions "in" and "of"?
>
> Joel
>
> At 5/20/2013 12:44 PM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> >As you might imagine, one sees onshore used the same way:
> >
> >"The Bakr W G1 and Bakr W H fields were discovered onshore the Gulf of
> Suez
> >in Eocene reservoirs by the General Petroleum Company (GPC)."
> >Geology of North Africa - Page
> >14<
> http://books.google.com/books?id=Oogm1anCJ_cC&pg=PA14&dq=%22onshore+the%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=plGaUbmTNK3d4AOLr4DwBA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwATgK
> >
> >books.google.com/books?isbn=0415874203
> >E.
> >Tawadros<
> https://www.google.com/search?sa=N&biw=1024&bih=649&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22E.+Tawadros%22&ei=plGaUbmTNK3d4AOLr4DwBA&ved=0CDQQ9AgwATgK
> >
> >-
> >2011
> >
> >
> >The Gentleman's Magazine, and Historical Chronicle - Volume 70, Part 2 -
> >Page 671
> >books.google.com/books?id=JKVJAAAAYAAJ, dated July 1800
> >
> >11, we chased a French frigate, which ran onshore the West side of the
> >river Tom- beau, a'<out three mile; from Por; Louis in that island [ after
> >firing several hrna Isides X hec site cut away her roasts ; at seven P. M.
> >the boats were sent to ...
> >
> >
> >
> >DanG
> >
> >
> >On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Ben Zimmer
> ><bgzimmer at babel.ling.upenn.edu>wrote:
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> > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Mailbox <mailbox at grammarphobia.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My husband (Stewart Kellerman) and I wrote a post about the
> > > > prepositional use of "offshore" May 9  for our blog,
> Grammarphobia.com.
> > > > It notes that according to the OED and M-W Collegiate, the
> prepositional
> > > > use is fairly recent, dating from the mid-1960's.
> > > > Link: http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/05/offshore-of.html
> > > > Pat O'Conner
> > >
> > > A bit earlier...
> > >
> > > 1961 Leon Wolff _Little Brown Brother_ 39 What with Dewey in the
> > > Orient grimly preparing for war, and the _Maine_ resting at anchor
> > > offshore Havana, one might assume that things had gone from bad to
> > > worse.
> > >
> > > 1961 _Ibid._ 57 The Spanish fleet was not sighted offshore Manila, and
> > > the Americans turned westward toward Cavite.
> > >
> > > 1961 _Ibid._ 106 For eight endless days, unable to debark, his
> > > expedition sat offshore the Tambo beach.
> > >
> > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hHzvx94oiUgC
> > >
> > > --bgz
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