[Ads-l] "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Mullins, Bill CIV (US)]

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I contacted Ms. Fried and she sent me a link to an accessible copy of her article.  It is very nicely done, and it is incredible that Jensen continues to denigrate her findings:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/this-14-year-old-sidwell-friends-student-outwitted-a-college-historian/2015/08/03/fcd33356-3a1b-11e5-9c2d-ed991d848c48_story.html

I've asked her for permission to share the link to the article on this list, and invited her to register and participate.

When I was fourteen, I spent my time reading comic books and watching the "Six Million Dollar Man".  She is amazing.




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> Jensen's original article is available here:
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> http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
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> I can't find Fried's rebuttal article, except behind a (rather expensive) p=
> aywall:
> http://intl-jsh.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/07/03/jsh.shv066.full
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> (and, btw, Fried's title, "No Irish Need Deny", is great)
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> Does anyone have contact info for Fried that I can ask her to send a copy?
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> > Slightly off-topic, but interesting: In 2002, a professor published an ar=
> ticle claiming that he could barely find any evidence for the supposed
> > notices reading "No Irish need apply", and that the notion that the Irish=
>  were thus discriminated against stemmed from a sense of
> > victimhood among modern Irish-Americans.
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> > A high-school student with better database-fu has no proved that, in fact=
> , there were many such notices. The student's article is appearing
> > in a major journal.
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> > http://www.longislandwins.com/columns/detail/high_school_student_proves_p=
> rofessor_wrong_when_he_denied_no_irish_need_app
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