[Ads-l] "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Aug 4 16:50:14 UTC 2015


> it is incredible that Jensen continues to denigrate her findings

I detect unwarranted assumptions behind this statement - of exactly the
kind I used to make before I was wised up.

JL



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:

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> I contacted Ms. Fried and she sent me a link to an accessible copy of her
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> rticle.  It is very nicely done, and it is incredible that Jensen
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> I've asked her for permission to share the link to the article on this
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> When I was fourteen, I spent my time reading comic books and watching the
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> > Jensen's original article is available here:
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> > http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
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> > I can't find Fried's rebuttal article, except behind a (rather
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> > (and, btw, Fried's title, "No Irish Need Deny", is great)
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> > > Slightly off-topic, but interesting: In 2002, a professor published an
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> > ticle claiming that he could barely find any evidence for the supposed
> > > notices reading "No Irish need apply", and that the notion that the
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> > > victimhood among modern Irish-Americans.
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> > > A high-school student with better database-fu has no proved that, in
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> > , there were many such notices. The student's article is appearing
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