[Ads-l] "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Aug 5 01:13:21 UTC 2015


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Presumably an exhaustive search for the phrase "No Irish" would uncover
> additional relevant examples.
> 
> For bigoted employers in cities with large Irish populations, where many
> Irish applicants might respond to an ad, such notices would only make
> sense.  Why encourage applicants who would automatically be turned away?
> 
> JL

Or maybe potential Irish employees didn't *need* to apply, since they would be handed jobs upon request.  

LH

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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Subject:      Re: "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>> it is incredible that Jensen continues to denigrate her findings
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>> I detect unwarranted assumptions behind this statement - of exactly the
>> kind I used to make before I was wised up.
>> 
>> JL
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>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
>> william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
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>>> Subject:      Re: "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>> I contacted Ms. Fried and she sent me a link to an accessible copy of her
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>>> rticle.  It is very nicely done, and it is incredible that Jensen
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>>> to denigrate her findings:
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>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.washingtonpost.com_local_education_this-2D14-2Dyear-2Dold-2Dsidwell-2Dfrie-3D&d=AwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zj-QUrvffJaF3aSFhMirXYkq-aalWQuRuQ9dxjdEpFQ&s=z5RkCmII8yaseBBCsmX2y2bqnV17wYFZvF2LZdfai6c&e= 
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>>> I've asked her for permission to share the link to the article on this
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>>> , and invited her to register and participate.
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>>> When I was fourteen, I spent my time reading comic books and watching the
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>>> Six Million Dollar Man".  She is amazing.
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>>>> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
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>>> Of MULLINS, WILLIAM D (Bill) CIV USARMY RDECOM
>>>> AMRDEC (US)
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 9:07 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>>> Subject:      Re: "No Irish need apply" (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>>> Jensen's original article is available here:
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>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tigger.uic.edu_-7Erjensen_no-2Dirish.htm&d=AwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zj-QUrvffJaF3aSFhMirXYkq-aalWQuRuQ9dxjdEpFQ&s=GxPzDmXxThElgwOZ-N0rt7WV4jFiy-CJZN1QbvQrIH8&e= 
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>>>> I can't find Fried's rebuttal article, except behind a (rather
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>>>> aywall:
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>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__intl-2Djsh.oxfordjournals.org_content_early_2015_07_03_jsh.shv066.fu-3D&d=AwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=zj-QUrvffJaF3aSFhMirXYkq-aalWQuRuQ9dxjdEpFQ&s=4svZhV7ynjYiblyQb2kuaTSekS2z0ffN6H9ldZ8fkkk&e= 
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>>>> (and, btw, Fried's title, "No Irish Need Deny", is great)
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>>>> Does anyone have contact info for Fried that I can ask her to send a
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>>> ?
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>>>> Of Jesse Sheidlower
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:20 PM
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>>>>> Slightly off-topic, but interesting: In 2002, a professor published
>> an
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>>>> ticle claiming that he could barely find any evidence for the supposed
>>>>> notices reading "No Irish need apply", and that the notion that the
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>>>> were thus discriminated against stemmed from a sense of
>>>>> victimhood among modern Irish-Americans.
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>>>>> A high-school student with better database-fu has no proved that, in
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>>>> , there were many such notices. The student's article is appearing
>>>>> in a major journal.
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