[Ads-l] A Texan on Facebook: (UNCLASSIFIED)

Herb Stahlke hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
Sun Dec 20 20:27:29 UTC 2015


Speaker Ryan on Meet the Press this morning said "ompen" for "open."

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> > On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:47 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
> > william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
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> >> need killing
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> > It's the lack of _to be_ or _to get_between "needs" and "shot" in a =
> comment
> > posted by a Texan that was the point.
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> > When I was first told of the existence of this structure, it was said =
> to be
> > peculiar to the speech of Northern Pennsylvania, specifically to that =
> of
> > the NWPA town of Erie. This structure is also used by my wife, a =
> native of
> > the NEPA town of Kingston.
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> The main studies on the "needs washed" construction, by Tom Murray and =
> Beth Simon, associate it with SE Ohio, W Pennsylvania, West Va., and =
> adjacent areas.  Their work, as well as a good recent paper by Elspeth =
> Edelstein, shows that "need", "want", and "like" are all possible with =
> bare past participles for some speakers, "need" and "want" for others, =
> and only "need" for still others, so there's an implicational relation.  =
> We have a page with these references and a synopsis of our research on =
> this family of constructions at =
> http://microsyntax.sites.yale.edu/needs-washed.
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> LH
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> > Next time, I won't assume that the ADS-L was listening, as I was =
> mentioning
> > this background to my wife. ;-)
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> > -Wilson
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