[Ads-l] Blatt

imwitty imwitty at GMAIL.COM
Sun Feb 8 03:49:09 UTC 2015


I don't know: I left almost 25 years ago... (;'-)) However, I doubt there
were any PROBLEMS because of his last name. But I'm sure there were some
puns and jokes, especially if the Russian media spelled his last name with
a single T... (;'-)))

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> Poster:       Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> Subject:      Re: Blatt
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> I wonder if David Blatt (current coach of the high-profile NBA Cleveland =
> Cavaliers basketball team starring LeBron James et al.) ran into any =
> problems with his name when he was coaching in Russia ten years ago =
> before and after coaching in Israel.  Not if the record has anything to =
> say about it--
>
> "During this year, he won the FIBA EuroCup championship with Dynamo [St. =
> Petersburg] and also the title of "Coach of the Year in Russia" (2004=9605=
>  season)."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatt
>
> LH
>
> =20
> On Feb 7, 2015, at 3:14 PM, imwitty wrote:
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> > I can offer 2 links, which highlight the way this term came to Russian
> > slang and acquired different meaning(s), albeit -- somehow! -- related =
> to
> > the original...
> > Even though both versions of the Wikipedia's article are linked, their
> > contents and references differ, so I give you both:
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> > =
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> > =
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> > Just in case, I made them shorter:
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> > =
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> f9FCoq0G3JwhCd0sKduUwcNuG9LQ-9Ob0&e=3D  (Russian version)
> >=20
> > =
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> QaqhRcx4GIWF88V_yZV3m4sP_GhoJhgL0&e=3D  (English version)
> >=20
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> > On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> >> Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> >> Subject:      Re: Blatt
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> >> There is a different answer at Yahoo! Answers -- that "blatt" means a
> >> sheet, thus two pages, two sides.
> >>=20
> >> "Can anyone tell me what the Jewish/Hebrew word "blatt" means in
> >> English?  As in, "He studied two blatt of the Talmud a day." As used
> >> in the Chosen by Chaim Potok. Thanks!"
> >>=20
> >> Best Answer:
> >> ---------
> >> "The Talmud is numbered in folios- so you talk about 2a. 2b.3a, 3b
> >> etc referring to each side of the folio.
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> >> When you discuss the Talmud- the entire folio is referenced as a Daf
> >> (so as you see in my profile I study a daf a day- i.e. a folio feach
> >> [sic] day). One side of the folion is called an amud - in other
> >> words- 2a on its own where the daf references both 2a and 2b.
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> >> In communities where Yiddish is commonly used- the term daf is
> >> replaced by blatt to refer to the entire folio.
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> >> If this is correct, the word English needs from Hebrew to refer to
> >> either (an unspecified)side of a sheet is "amud", not "blatt" from
> >> Yiddish?  (We have already borrowed "recto" and "verso" to refer to
> >> specific sides.)
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> >> Joel
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> >> At 2/6/2015 11:32 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
> >>> Interesting.  Apparently, if I'm interpreting the web info
> >>> correctly, a "blatt" is half a (double) folio page--17a would be the
> >>> left-hand side (or, I suppose, the right-hand side) of folio page 17
> >>> of the Talmud, and 17b the right (or left?) side of the same folio
> >>> page, so that's a glatt gemara/gemorah.  This would be a useful
> >>> (well, occasionally useful) word to have in English.  References to
> >>> Aristotle's Organon, for example, is given in this same tradition,
> >>> so De Int. 24b6 is the fourth line of the b side of folio page 24 of
> >>> "Peri Hermenias" or "On Interpretation" (for some reason usually
> >>> referred to by its Latin name, "De Interpretatione").  But nobody
> >>> ever refers to such a page-half as a "blatt Organon", although we
> >>> could change that if we tried.
> >>>=20
> >>> LH
> >>>=20
> >>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>>> In Chaim Potok's 1967 "The Chosen," the protagonist and
> >>> antagonist are assigned the Talmud in units of blatt
> >>> (
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> >>> ).
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> >>>> The word comes up a number of times in Google Books, often as
> >>> "blatt gemorah," but Wiktionary and the Oxford Dictionary site have
> >>> it only as a German word.
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> >>>> Benjamin Barrett
> >>>> Formerly of Seattle, WA
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> >>>> Learn Ainu!
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