[Ads-l] "off the cuff" antedated to 1934

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Feb 24 13:04:32 UTC 2015


According to my grandparents, it was once a common practice.

Because she had no cuffs, Gov. Palin had to write on her hand.

JL

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:

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> Because I am Captain Obvious, the racetrack tip cite and the credit
> sense really seem connected to me with the development of the use of
> paper shirt cuffs (which comes in the 'teens?) and so the possibility of
> writing things on the cuffs.
>
> ---Amy West
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> On 2/24/15 12:00 AM, ADS-L automatic digest system wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:28:43 +0000 From: "Mullins, Bill CIV (US)"
> > <william.d.mullins18.civ at MAIL.MIL> Subject: Re: "off the cuff"
> > antedated to 1934 (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats:
> > NONE Yes it does. I wasn't aware of that meaning until I looked the
> > phrase up in OED (after I posted).
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> >> >From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
> >> >Behalf Of Jonathan Lighter
> >> >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:27 PM
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> >> >Subject: Re: "off the cuff" antedated to 1934 (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> >> >The 1925 ex. seems unusually  to mean "out of debt."  ("On the cuff" =
> >> >'on
> >> >credit.')
> >> >
> >> >JL
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <
> >> >william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
> >> >
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> >>> > >Subject:      Re: "off the cuff" antedated to 1934 (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> >>> > >Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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> >>> > >
> >>> > >_Variety_  29 Apr 1925 p 21 col 4
> >>> > >[review of theatrical show]
> >>> > >"Didn't have a chance and producer and theater were smart enough to
> >> >go
> >>> > >afte= r the two for ones.  Kept house from going dark and will just
> >>> > >about get off=  the cuff."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >_Photoplay_  Apr 1926 pp 50-51
> >>> > >"Mickey Neilan was some seven hours late on his set one day.  And
> the
> >>> > >compa= ny waited and shivered -- and then shivered and waited some
> >>> > >more.
> >>> > >"Must have lost his script," hazarded a member of the cast.
> >>> > >"Sure," says the prop boy.  "Must have lost his script and is now
> >>> > >hunting t= hrough all the shirts in the Hollywood laundry to find
> >> >it."
> >>> > >(You see, Mickey Neilan is famous for being one of the few surviving
> >>> > >direct= ors who "shoot from the cuff" -- which means the only script
> >>> > >he ever has is=  what's in his head, aided by an occasional note on
> >>> > >his cuff.)"
> >>> > >
> >>> > >_Hollywood Vagabond_  28 Apr 1927 p 5 col 3 "We don't get out here
> in
> >>> > >the lights and then try to find out what's going = to happen.  We
> >> >read
> >>> > >the script, know the story and throw the script away.
> >>> > >=
> >>> > >Then we come out on the set and shoot it off the cuff."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >_The Film Daily_  11 May 1930 p 5 col 2
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"Credit Roy Mack of the Vitaphone studio with the one about the
> >>> > >director wh= o was shooting off the cuff and moaned that he had
> >> >washed
> >>> > >his shirt and los= t the script."
> >>> > >
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> >>>> > > >Behalf Of ADSGarson O'Toole
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> >>>> > > >John Baker posted some valuable material to the ADS list in 2012
> on
> >>>> > > >the  "off the cuff" topic:
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> >>>> > > >http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2012-
> >>>> > > >August/121540.html
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> >>>> > > >I found some cites for "shoot from the cuff" starting in July 17,
> >> >1927:
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> >>>> > > >http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2012-
> >>>> > > >August/121545.html
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> >>>> > > >Garson
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> >>>> > > >On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Stephen Goranson
> >>>> > > ><goranson at duke.edu>
> >>>> > > >wrote:
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> >>>>> > > > >Poster:       Stephen Goranson<goranson at DUKE.EDU>
> >>>>> > > > >Subject:      Re: "off the cuff" antedated to 1934
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> >>>>> > > > >=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >July 31, 1932. Times-Picayune [New Orleans], Section 2, p. 5,
> >> >col. 1.
> >>>>> > > > >Headl=3D
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> >> >Silents.=3D0A=3D
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> >>> > >days"=3D85."Right,=
> >>> > >"
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> >>>>> > > > >every morning=3D85isn't t=3D hat phenomenal?" [The same paper
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> >>>>> > > > >From: American Dialect Society<ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>  on
> behalf
> >>>>> > > > >of Stephe=3D n Goranson<goranson at DUKE.EDU>=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >To:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >Subject: [ADS-L] "off the cuff" antedated to 1934=3D0A=3D
> >> >=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >The previous earliest mentioned was Aug. 16, 1936 (discussed
> at
> >>>>> > > > >Language Lo=3D g and Early Sports and Pop Culture History
> >>>>> > > > >Blog).=3D0A=3D =3D0A=
> >>> > >=3D Gene
> >>>>> > > > >Fowler, Father Goose The Story of Mack Sennett (NY: Covici,
> >>>>> > > > >Friede, 19=3D
> >>>>> > > > >34) page 147:=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >He set up his cameras with showmanlike haste and began
> shooting
> >>>>> > > > >extemporane=3D ously-, or, "off the cuff."=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >
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> >> >http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=3D3Dmdp.39015003982835;view=3D3D
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> >>>>> > > > >=3D0A=3D
> >>>>> > > > >Stephen Goranson=3D0A=3D
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> >>>>> > > > >http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/=3D0A=3D
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