[Ads-l] It's an intrusive L!

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Fri Jul 3 16:40:40 UTC 2015


Doubtless there are multiple influences at work, and it would be simplistic
to blame any of them exclusively.

The intrusive / l / in "calvary" (at least as one of my learned and
distinguished attorney friends says it) is very dark indeed - almost as if
it's disappearing.



JL

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:

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> I would take "calvary" (in the mounted troops sense) to be largely the
> resu=
> lt of unconscious "folk" etymology (so-called).
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> Isn't it mainly Christians who say "calvary" in that sense?
>
> --Charlie
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> > On Jul 3, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> =
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> wrote:
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> > Reminds me again of the aforementioned "calvary" (which I keep seeing =3D
> in
> > print), which features an intrusive and an elided / l /.
> >=3D20
> > JL
>
> I'd put metatheses of the "calvary"/"cavalry" or "irrevalent" kind into =3D
> a different bag from the intrusive L of "the reason why(-l-)it works", =3D
> "draw(l)ing", or "how(l) it works", or the intrusive R of "I saw(r) a =3D
> film today oh boy" (from the Beatles' A Day in the Life--an example I =3D
> hadn't noticed before reading the wiki entry on intrusive/linking R).  I =
> =3D
> think my reluctance to collapse the two phenomena is that I suspect a =3D
> difference in motivation.
>
> LH
> >=3D20
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Dave Hause <dwhause at cablemo.net> =3D
> wrote:
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> >> Poster:       Dave Hause <dwhause at CABLEMO.NET>
> >> Subject:      Re: It's an intrusive L!
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> >> Which, of course, should have been a reply to Wilson.
> >> Dave
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave Hause
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:03 PM
> >> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: It's an intrusive L!
> >>=3D20
> >> AH, thank you.  Now I know what is happening when my friend says, =3D
> "howl it
> >> works."
> >> Dave Hause
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Laurence Horn
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:13 PM
> >> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: It's an intrusive L!
> >>=3D20
> >>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> For dekkids, I've heard Fats Domino sing:
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> I'm walking to New Orleans
> >>> New Orleans is my home
> >>> That's the reason, while I'm going
> >>> I'm walking to New Orleans
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> And, during that time, I've attempted to winkle out to meaning of =3D
> the =3D3D
> >> third
> >>> line,
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> "That's the reason, _while_ I'm going."
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> In a sudden, blazing flash of insight, I've come to realize that =3D
> what =3D3D
> >> we
> >>> have here is a failure to recognize the insertion of an intrusive L =3D
> to
> >>> break up the hiatus between the preceding (IPA) [a] of "why" and the
> >>> following (IPA) [a] of "I," instead of the more-common intrusive R
> >>=3D20
> >> More common to be sure, although as I noted a couple of years back =3D
> the L =3D3D
> >> is also a feature of Philadelphia-area (working class?) accent, and
> =3D3=
> D=3D
>
> >> nicely illustrated by Patti Smith in her reading of her memoir _Just =3D
> =3D3D
> >> Kids_, about the years she spent with Robert Mapplethorpe, who did a =3D
> lot =3D3D
> >> of "drawling" (the kind that involves sketch pads and charcoal =3D
> pencils).
> >>=3D20
> >>> or even
> >>> the nearly-standard glo?al onset/glo?al catch. Hence, the correct =3D3D
> >> reading
> >>> of the third line is,
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> "That's the reason _why_ I'm going."
> >>> =3D3D20
> >>> It's obvious.
> >>=3D20
> >> and confirmed by=3D3D20
> >> =3D
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3D3Dhttps-3A__www.youtube.com_wa=
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> >> At 1:35 you can here Fats's intrusive L as the corresponding lyrics
> =3D3=
> D=3D
>
> >> scroll on by.
> >>=3D20
> >> Takes me back, but the next one it segues to,
> >> =3D
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> >> does even more so.  Hearing that barrelhouse piano intro, waiting to =3D
> =3D3D
> >> find that thrill--ah, to be 14 again. =3D3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> LH
> >>=3D20
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