[Ads-l] The Stainless Steel Banner

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Jun 23 18:19:59 UTC 2015


Maybe. First I've heard of it.

Doesn't matter much.  Why not fly the (post-bellum) SC state flag over the
dead?  They fought primarily for the state anyway. Or why not the current
U.S. flag, since those who insist it's all about heritage should be willing
to acknowledge that the Confederate dead were also Americans. And today's
50-star flag is not the same as the 34-star flag of 1861: nor does it
suggest a vindictive federal government, as it would have during
Reconstruction.

On the other hand, if the U.S. flag were to be flown, there would be those
eager to claim that it had become a racist symbol.  You can't win.

In my view there's no good reason for flying a Confederate flag over
government property, except as part of an educational historical display,
as at Ft. Sumter.

JL

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:52 PM, GUY LETOURNEAU Owner <
guy1656 at centurylink.net> wrote:

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> The story I heard in the compromise move to take the Confederate flag off
> the SC capitol building
> was that there are Confederate war dead under those grounds and that the
> flag was moved closer to their resting place,
> making that flag pole and its vicinity a war memorial.
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> - GLL
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> If you think that's a reach, try North Carolina....
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> Much of this argument strikes me as offensively patronizing. The case of
> South Carolina was egregious: the battle flag went up over the State House
> in 1961 as a protest against the Civil Rights Movement. That was back when
> Strom "Dixiecrat" Thurmond was a U.S. Senator. Some years ago an attempt
> was made to remove the flag, which ended in the compromise that it would
> not be flown over the House, but must continue to be flown in the grounds.
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> Wikipedia doesn't seem to cover these events, so I'm relying in CNN.
>
> That's an actual Confederate flag, not a design perhaps suggested by it (or
> vaguely suggesting it). And regardless of the Civil War, it was placed
> there as an intentional affront to black people and the federal government.
> Within living memory.
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> JL
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> > > Another topic of growing controversy is whether the flags of seven
> > > Southern states should be replaced because of some historical
> > > connection or visual resemblance to one or another Confederate flag.
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> > I'm surprised that some of the flags have any connection to the
> > Confederacy=
> > .  I grew up in TN, and have always thought that the TN flag is well
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> > ed and attractive.  The arguments that is connected to the Confederacy
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