[Ads-l] hypercorrect pluralization of attributives

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Sun Mar 29 14:03:27 UTC 2015


Below is a plural example in 1910: "the automobiles industry", but
this phrase occurred infrequently, I think.

Year: 1910
Title: Men and Women of America: A Biographical Dictionary of Contemporaries
Publisher: L. R. Hamersly & Company, New York
Entry title: Roy Dikeman Chapin
Quote Page 325

https://books.google.com/books?id=KOgUAAAAYAAJ&q=%22Ella+Rose%22#v=snippet&

[Begin excerpt]
He was educated in the Lansing High School and the University of
Michigan, and he has been connected with the automobiles industry
almost since its inception.
[End excerpt]

Garson

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Jonathan Lighter
<wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> CNN is talking about "the Houthis rebels."
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> I've recently heard "the movies industry."
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> Plus (I hope you're sitting down) "the aircrafts industry."
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> JL
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> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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>> At 9:29 AM -0700 3/30/09, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>> >On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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>> >>At 3/30/2009 09:40 AM, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
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>> >>>not ridiculous or incorrect, much less hypercorrect.  *the name of
>> >>>the
>> >>>dice game* is "craps".  you "shoot craps".  "crap game" would be
>> >>>absurd, like "jack game", "measle infection", etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>see the OED entry for "craps".  of obscure origin (not obviously
>> >>>related to "crap" 'feces'),
>> >>
>> >>But, as I learned, the OED also has "crap" and "crap game".
>> >
>> >ack.  i somehow missed that.
>> >
>> >i would interpret "crap game" as a re-shaping of "craps game",
>> >accommodating the expression to the usual pattern for N-N compounds.
>> >
>> >i'm starting to find more such re-shapings.  i get small numbers of
>> >hits for {"measle infection"} and {"mump infection"}, for instance.
>> >
>> >meanwhile, Joel Berson has pointed out to me that the OED has an entry
>> >for "eave", back-formed from "eaves", with citations from 1789.  the -
>> >s of "eaves" was not originally a mark of the plural, but in modern
>> >english the word is standardly plural in its syntax, and that led to
>> >the creation of a singular "eave".
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>> A case of "eaves" dropping, then.  And a nice addition to the
>> "kudo(s)", "pea(s(e))" stock.
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>> LH
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>> >   though many sources (like CGEL)
>> >treat "eaves" as invariably plural, back-formed "eave" turns out to be
>> >pretty frequent these days; a google search on {"to the eave"} turned
>> >up plenty of examples -- many of them with "eave" as the first element
>> >in a N-N compound (like "eave strut"), but many of them not.
>> >
>> >arnold
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