[Ads-l] fed up of; earlier from

Charles C Doyle cdoyle at UGA.EDU
Sun Nov 15 13:52:25 UTC 2015


And we would most idiomatically say (wouldn't we?)  "the assigned teacher for that class"--not "the assigned teacher of that class."

--Charlie

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But contrast the phrase I heard earlier this week:

"Barack Obama, the United States' President, met with the leader for
Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu."

As I may have indicated years back, "for" is often showing up where you'd
expect "of."

JL

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> Except that as we've discussed in various previous exchanges on the =
> list, the tendency for various selected prepositions to neutralize to =
> "of" ("bored of" is just one of many) is extremely widespread.  I'm =
> dubious that each one is a sui generis blend; it seems much more =
> economical to treat this as an instance of what we might call "_of_ =
> sickness", on the model of "dative sickness" in Icelandic, the tendency =
> for various object cases selected idiosyncratically by various verbs to =
> be neutralized to dative.   In any case, I don't find the blend analysis =
> a "no doubt"er.  (And anyway, how could we be sure it's based on "sick =
> of" rather than "tired of"?)
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> > Date: November 14, 2015 at 5:02:34 PM EST
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> > "Fed up of" is no doubt a blend: "fed up with" + "sick of".
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