[Ads-l] fed up of; earlier from

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Sun Nov 15 14:35:30 UTC 2015


"For" seems to imply conscious purpose, or placement by some outside
influence, or some suggestion of benefit to the object of (not "for") the
preposition. "Of" seems merely to suggest a close relationship.

But it's probably more complicated than that.

JL

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:

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> And we would most idiomatically say (wouldn't we?)  "the assigned teacher
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> or that class"--not "the assigned teacher of that class."
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> But contrast the phrase I heard earlier this week:
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> "Barack Obama, the United States' President, met with the leader for
> Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu."
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> As I may have indicated years back, "for" is often showing up where you'd
> expect "of."
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> JL
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> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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> > Except that as we've discussed in various previous exchanges on the =3D
> > list, the tendency for various selected prepositions to neutralize to =3D
> > "of" ("bored of" is just one of many) is extremely widespread.  I'm =3D
> > dubious that each one is a sui generis blend; it seems much more =3D
> > economical to treat this as an instance of what we might call "_of_ =3D
> > sickness", on the model of "dative sickness" in Icelandic, the tendency =
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> > for various object cases selected idiosyncratically by various verbs to =
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> > be neutralized to dative.   In any case, I don't find the blend analysis
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> > a "no doubt"er.  (And anyway, how could we be sure it's based on "sick =
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> > of" rather than "tired of"?)
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> > > From: "Cohen, Gerald Leonard" <gcohen at MST.EDU>
> > > Subject: Re: fed up of; earlier from
> > > Date: November 14, 2015 at 5:02:34 PM EST
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> > > "Fed up of" is no doubt a blend: "fed up with" + "sick of".
> > > G. Cohen=3D20
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