[Ads-l] Crash-blossom OTY

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Tue Nov 17 18:20:10 UTC 2015


> On Nov 17, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> "PARISIAN DEP MAYOR RE ATTACK VICTIMS" would apparently have been too
> complicated, what with fewer letters and syllables.
> 
> JL

Or "RE ATTACKS VICTIMS", which would no doubt be read as accusing him of traumatizing the victims again.  
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
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>> Yes, but one (moi) would not say "victims of attack" in this case, since
>> th=
>> ere were several.=C2=A0 Here we have not the ubiquitous "of" but the
>> disapp=
>> earing "of".
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>> As for Jon's> Not perfect, but close enough for government work,
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>> Let's hope CNN does better next time.=C2=A0 That is, uses "for" or "of"
>> ins=
>> tead of "on".=C2=A0 :-)
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>      From: Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:42 AM
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>> Yes, the "on" makes the unintended reading less likely, but the weird
>> plura=
>> l in the modifier within the compound--which seems to have become a
>> standar=
>> d option anymore--makes it more likely.=C2=A0 For me, it can only be
>> "Paris=
>> attack victims", even given the multiplicity of attack sites--i.e. the
>> vic=
>> tims of attacks are attack victims, not attacks victims.
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>> wr=
>> ote:
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>>> Not perfect, but close enough for government work.
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>>> On the TV screen, with all caps,=C2=A0 the "on" was easily misread (or,
>> b=
>> etter,
>>> "automatically absorbed )" as "of."
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>>> JL
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>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> Well, at least they got the preposition better than "for" or "of".=3DC2=
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>>>> Th=3D
>>>> at is, I don't think there is a "deputy mayor on Paris", so that I find
>>>> the=3D
>>>> headline a bit difficult to read as "the deputy mayor on Paris attacks
>>>> the=3D
>>>> victims."
>>>> Deputy mayor "for" or "of" Paris seems to crash more loudly.=3DC2=3DA0
>> A=
>> nd
>>>> "Dep=3D
>>>> uty mayor for Paris attacks victims" crashes with a different ambiguity
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>> --
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>>>> is the deputy major for (does he support) the Paris attack victims?
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>>>> Joel
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>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=3D20
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 7:40 AM
>>>> Subject: [ADS-L] Crash-blossom OTY
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>>>> CNN caption:
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>>>> "DEPUTY MAYOR ON PARIS ATTACKS VICTIMS."
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>>>> JL
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