[Ads-l] "dumpster diver" -- early, but is it an antedating?

Shapiro, Fred fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU
Sun Nov 29 15:10:29 UTC 2015


Looking further at Peter's messages, it is clear that he is aware of Google Books misdating.  But, as I said, this T-shirt ad seems to me to be of later date.

Fred Shapiro



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Subject: Re: "dumpster diver" -- early, but is it an antedating?

Peter seems to be assuming that Google Books's dating here is accurate.  This is sometimes true, but often not, particularly for serial publications such as this one, especially serial publications that have multiple volumes bound together such as this one, and it seems pretty likely to me that the "dumpster diver T-shirts" citation is later than 1985.  I draw different conclusions about dating from the probes and snippets than Peter does.

Fred Shapiro



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Subject: "dumpster diver" -- early, but is it an antedating?

>   Of the three forms I am concerned with only one, "dumpster diver".

Okay, fair enough.

Here's one from early 1985.
"Dumpster Diver T-Shirts! $12 - members $14 - others"
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tinyurl.com_qx65muc&d=AwIFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=wchcuLtfUJ7Yn7wu9iXSForKzpGZ279YoEUs3LNkZj0&s=1yVgTJMZ4G7tXJoUupSghhMlBEVHwhTRcHCN9dIiB0M&e=

It comes from the "winter into spring" edition.
Volume 12, no 1. It looks like it's a quarterly, and this is Jan-Mar
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tinyurl.com_ozlto7a&d=AwIFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=sRkhHMQo6W5Ird1lkQFqb23bCfSHAR2XjUSUG53db5M&m=wchcuLtfUJ7Yn7wu9iXSForKzpGZ279YoEUs3LNkZj0&s=J-Qjr8H-YknmAd-HN__DahBVqFv06y0Uz0X0vNuU8w0&e=

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