[Ads-l] Ooops (Re: "joyride")

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Oct 31 21:02:18 UTC 2015


> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:23 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm thinking that a joy ride or jazz ride ends on the same airfield it left
>> from, as opposed to providing transportation to a destination.
> 
> 
> Are those two possibilities exclusive?

I meant to wonder, of course, whether those two possibilities are exhaustive, not whether they are exclusive.

LH

>  I've always thought that at least on the ground joyrides allow for the possibility of abandoning the vehicle in some field or whatever--the key is that it's distinguished from car theft by virtue of the intent and the final result--the "borrowers" neither plan on keeping the car nor do so, but they don't need to return it to its starting point.  Maybe it's different for planes.  
> 
> Here's the OED's gloss; no mention of landing site in either case:
> 'A pleasure trip in a motor car, aeroplane, etc., often without the permission of the owner of the vehicle.'
> 
> LH
> 
>> Therefore
>> it is foolishness; but I'll accept foolish and exciting.
>> 
>> GAT
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
>>> 
>>> Cf. "joyride" itself.
>>> 
>>> JL
>>> 
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>>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
>>>> 
>>>> Consider "joyride" itself.
>>>> 
>>>> JL
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, George Thompson <
>>> george.thompson at nyu.edu>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> This fits with the sense of the first two appearances of "jazz" -- Ben
>>>>> Henderson's "jazz curve" and the statement that the idea that a young
>>>>> ballplayer isn't talented is "all to the jazz" -- the sense of
>>> nonsense,
>>>>> foolishness, or such.  Henderson's jazz curve was ridiculous: it
>>> wobbled;
>>>>> the misunderestimation of the young player is nonsense; and a jazz trip
>>>> in
>>>>> an airplane without purpose or destination is foolish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All but one of the rest of the citations from 1914 (as I recall) show
>>> the
>>>>> other sense: energy or enthusiasm; which is the sense that links to
>>>> "jazz"
>>>>> in music.
>>>>> 
>>>>> GAT
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <
>>>>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I subscribe to an aviation trade journal (Aviation Week) which is
>>>> having
>>>>> a
>>>>>> feature on 100 years of 'airline technology'. Here's a quote from an
>>>>>> article:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a bright New Year's Day morning in 1914, an enthusiastic crowd
>>> that
>>>>> had
>>>>>> gathered at the yacht basin in St. Petersburg, Florida, cheered with
>>>>>> delight as a fragile-looking Benoist XIV floatplane left the water
>>> and
>>>>>> pointed its blunt nose in the direction of nearby Tampa. Squeezed
>>> into
>>>>> the
>>>>>> tiny cockpit were pioneer aviator Tony Jannus and Abe Pheil, a former
>>>> St.
>>>>>> Petersburg mayor who had bid $400 to become the first fare-paying
>>>>> passenger
>>>>>> on the world's first scheduled, fixed-wing airline flight. Percival
>>>>>> Fansler, the local businessman behind the St.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> -- 
>> George A. Thompson
>> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
>> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
>> Univ. Pr., 1998..
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