[Ads-l] Ooops (Re: "joyride")

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Sat Oct 31 23:18:53 UTC 2015


My impression from reading countless words of pop cultural period trash is
that in early days an automobile "joyride" could be rather more innocent
than today: just a motor trip for fun, though possibly at breakneck, 35mph
speeds.

You could take a joyride - or take somebody else for one - in your own car,
and you wouldn't be likely to abandon it.

A further motivation was to make time with a passenger of the opposite sex.

JL

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> =
> wrote:
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> >> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:23 PM, George Thompson =
> <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
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> >> I'm thinking that a joy ride or jazz ride ends on the same airfield =
> it left
> >> from, as opposed to providing transportation to a destination.
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> > Are those two possibilities exclusive?
>
> I meant to wonder, of course, whether those two possibilities are =
> exhaustive, not whether they are exclusive.
>
> LH
>
> >  I've always thought that at least on the ground joyrides allow for =
> the possibility of abandoning the vehicle in some field or whatever--the =
> key is that it's distinguished from car theft by virtue of the intent =
> and the final result--the "borrowers" neither plan on keeping the car =
> nor do so, but they don't need to return it to its starting point.  =
> Maybe it's different for planes. =20
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> > Here's the OED's gloss; no mention of landing site in either case:
> > 'A pleasure trip in a motor car, aeroplane, etc., often without the =
> permission of the owner of the vehicle.'
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> > LH
> >=20
> >> Therefore
> >> it is foolishness; but I'll accept foolish and exciting.
> >>=20
> >> GAT
> >>=20
> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Lighter =
> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
> >>>=20
> >>> Cf. "joyride" itself.
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> >>> JL
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> >>>> Subject: Re: Interesting early use of 'jazz' far away from music
> >>>> From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
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> >>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
> >>>>=20
> >>>> Consider "joyride" itself.
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> >>>> JL
> >>>>=20
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, George Thompson <
> >>> george.thompson at nyu.edu>
> >>>> wrote:
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> >>> =
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> >>>>> This fits with the sense of the first two appearances of "jazz" -- =
> Ben
> >>>>> Henderson's "jazz curve" and the statement that the idea that a =
> young
> >>>>> ballplayer isn't talented is "all to the jazz" -- the sense of
> >>> nonsense,
> >>>>> foolishness, or such.  Henderson's jazz curve was ridiculous: it
> >>> wobbled;
> >>>>> the misunderestimation of the young player is nonsense; and a jazz =
> trip
> >>>> in
> >>>>> an airplane without purpose or destination is foolish.
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>> All but one of the rest of the citations from 1914 (as I recall) =
> show
> >>> the
> >>>>> other sense: energy or enthusiasm; which is the sense that links =
> to
> >>>> "jazz"
> >>>>> in music.
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>> GAT
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <
> >>>>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> I subscribe to an aviation trade journal (Aviation Week) which is
> >>>> having
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> feature on 100 years of 'airline technology'. Here's a quote from =
> an
> >>>>>> article:
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> On a bright New Year's Day morning in 1914, an enthusiastic crowd
> >>> that
> >>>>> had
> >>>>>> gathered at the yacht basin in St. Petersburg, Florida, cheered =
> with
> >>>>>> delight as a fragile-looking Benoist XIV floatplane left the =
> water
> >>> and
> >>>>>> pointed its blunt nose in the direction of nearby Tampa. Squeezed
> >>> into
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> tiny cockpit were pioneer aviator Tony Jannus and Abe Pheil, a =
> former
> >>>> St.
> >>>>>> Petersburg mayor who had bid $400 to become the first fare-paying
> >>>>> passenger
> >>>>>> on the world's first scheduled, fixed-wing airline flight. =
> Percival
> >>>>>> Fansler, the local businessman behind the St.
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> >> George A. Thompson
> >> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
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