[Ads-l] Ooops (Re: "joyride")

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Oct 31 23:40:37 UTC 2015


> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> My impression from reading countless words of pop cultural period trash is
> that in early days an automobile "joyride" could be rather more innocent
> than today: just a motor trip for fun, though possibly at breakneck, 35mph
> speeds.
> 
> You could take a joyride - or take somebody else for one - in your own car,
> and you wouldn't be likely to abandon it.
> 
> A further motivation was to make time with a passenger of the opposite sex.
> 
> JL

And to do so even without a car, if I remember the proclivities of "Frank Harris" correctly:

OED, s.v. "joy-ride" 
1922   F. Harris My Life & Loves I. ix. 187   ‘Aren't you tired?’..‘No,’ I replied, ‘I feel no fatigue, indeed, I feel the better for our joy ride!’


> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
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>> Subject:      Ooops (Re: "joyride")
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>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> =
>> wrote:
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>>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:23 PM, George Thompson =
>> <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
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>>>> I'm thinking that a joy ride or jazz ride ends on the same airfield =
>> it left
>>>> from, as opposed to providing transportation to a destination.
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>>> Are those two possibilities exclusive?
>> 
>> I meant to wonder, of course, whether those two possibilities are =
>> exhaustive, not whether they are exclusive.
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>>> I've always thought that at least on the ground joyrides allow for =
>> the possibility of abandoning the vehicle in some field or whatever--the =
>> key is that it's distinguished from car theft by virtue of the intent =
>> and the final result--the "borrowers" neither plan on keeping the car =
>> nor do so, but they don't need to return it to its starting point.  =
>> Maybe it's different for planes. =20
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>>> Here's the OED's gloss; no mention of landing site in either case:
>>> 'A pleasure trip in a motor car, aeroplane, etc., often without the =
>> permission of the owner of the vehicle.'
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>>> LH
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>>>> Therefore
>>>> it is foolishness; but I'll accept foolish and exciting.
>>>> =20
>>>> GAT
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>>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Lighter =
>> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Cf. "joyride" itself.
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>>>>> JL
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>>>>>> Subject: Re: Interesting early use of 'jazz' far away from music
>>>>>> From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
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>>>>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
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>>>>>> Consider "joyride" itself.
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>>>>>> JL
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>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, George Thompson <
>>>>> george.thompson at nyu.edu>
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>>>>>>> This fits with the sense of the first two appearances of "jazz" -- =
>> Ben
>>>>>>> Henderson's "jazz curve" and the statement that the idea that a =
>> young
>>>>>>> ballplayer isn't talented is "all to the jazz" -- the sense of
>>>>> nonsense,
>>>>>>> foolishness, or such.  Henderson's jazz curve was ridiculous: it
>>>>> wobbled;
>>>>>>> the misunderestimation of the young player is nonsense; and a jazz =
>> trip
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> an airplane without purpose or destination is foolish.
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>>>>>>> All but one of the rest of the citations from 1914 (as I recall) =
>> show
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other sense: energy or enthusiasm; which is the sense that links =
>> to
>>>>>> "jazz"
>>>>>>> in music.
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>>>>>>> GAT
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <
>>>>>>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> I subscribe to an aviation trade journal (Aviation Week) which is
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> feature on 100 years of 'airline technology'. Here's a quote from =
>> an
>>>>>>>> article:
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>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> On a bright New Year's Day morning in 1914, an enthusiastic crowd
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> gathered at the yacht basin in St. Petersburg, Florida, cheered =
>> with
>>>>>>>> delight as a fragile-looking Benoist XIV floatplane left the =
>> water
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> pointed its blunt nose in the direction of nearby Tampa. Squeezed
>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> tiny cockpit were pioneer aviator Tony Jannus and Abe Pheil, a =
>> former
>>>>>> St.
>>>>>>>> Petersburg mayor who had bid $400 to become the first fare-paying
>>>>>>> passenger
>>>>>>>> on the world's first scheduled, fixed-wing airline flight. =
>> Percival
>>>>>>>> Fansler, the local businessman behind the St.
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>>>> George A. Thompson
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