[Ads-l] Antedating HDAS Oreo WAS: Nazi Wit and Humor (UNCLASSIFIED)

Neal Whitman nwhitman at AMERITECH.NET
Mon Jan 4 16:27:41 UTC 2016


I've heard the term "coconut" used for Mexican-Americans who are "white 
on the inside."

Neal

On 1/4/2016 10:59 AM, Mullins, Bill CIV (US) wrote:
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> >From Google Books:
> _Jet_ Dec. 19, 1968 p 20
> "In fact, while over at Junior High School 271, in Oceanhill-Brownsville, t=
> he kids started calling us Oreo -- you know, after the chocolate cookie tha=
> t's black on the outside and white on the inside."
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> Related term:
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> C. Peter Wagner _Our Kind of People_ Atlanta: J. Knox Press, 1979 p 69
> "C-1 American Indians call their C-3 counterparts "apples" (red on the outs=
> ide and white on the inside) or "Uncle Tomahawks."  Chinese-Americans call =
> their C-3s "bananas" (yellow on the outside, white on the inside), and so o=
> n."
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>> Barry has looked at some analogous dual-color terms: "radish"
>> communist (first cite 1919) and "watermelon" communist (first cite circa =
> 1955 GB snippet), "watermelon" environmentalist (first cite 1990).
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>> Radish Communist (red on the outside, white on the inside)=20
>> http://barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/radish_communist/
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>> Watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside)=20
>> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/watermelon_green_=
> on_the_outside_red_on_the_inside
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>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 4:50 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu>=
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>>> I've just finished reading a book about the rise of Hitler.  (I assure
>>> you that this interest has nothing to do with recent developments in
>>> American politics.  Surely one or two of you will believe this.)
>>> Anyway, I know nothing about the author, but he seems to be a scholar
>>> and certainly reads German, but there is not a word of German quoted
>>> in the book.  He writes on p. 120:
>>> Most of the Strasser people were, in fact, anti-Semitic socialists --
>>> what the SA men would call "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and
>>> red on the inside.
>>> This expression, if indeed used by Nazis in the mid-1920s, as
>>> chronology of the book suggests, anticipates the American disparaging e=
> xpression "Oreo"
>>> by about 45 years, per HDAS, which dates Oreo to 1969.
>>> The author does not give the German version.
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>>> The book is Samuel W. Mitcham, Jr., *Why Hitler? The Genesis of the
>>> Nazi Reich*, Westport, Conn & London: PRaeger, 1996.
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>>> GAT
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>>> --
>>> George A. Thompson
>>> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
>>> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
>>> Univ. Pr., 1998..
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