[Ads-l] "Crying Wolof"

Z Rice zrice3714 at GMAIL.COM
Wed Mar 9 11:15:52 UTC 2016


Margaret, on "bag":

AAV
bag:
1) habit; custom; tradition; way; way of life; something one does
habitually; someone thing ONE ENJOYS
2) one’s own skill, TALENT, or area of expertise; one’s job; one’s THING
(in the song that you mention, he's saying he has a new “thing”...and he
mentions several trendy dances or “new things” in the song. However, I do
not rely on songs to dig my own language...it is my birthright and I
understand it naturally)


Wolof
ba:x 'habit'; 'custom'; 'tradition'; 'a traditionally done thing' (Wolof
standard orthography: baax g-)
baːxɔː 'to possess one's own gift' (DFW); 'to have (something) as a
customary activity or practice' (Wolof standard orthography: baaxoo)


I don’t like to rely on dictionaries, for understanding my own language
however, Mahmoud El-Kati, a renowned native African-American historian and
professor from Minnesota published The Hiptionary. In this book, he defines
“bag” as follows:


AAV
the thing(s) that you do, value, or believe; things one values or lives
by;  part of your personality

Let's compare that with Wolof:

Wolof
mbaːxɛːl 'a moral value'....ultimately from Wolof baːx 'habit'; 'custom';
'tradition'; 'a traditionally done thing' (Wolof standard orthography: baax
g-); Cf. Wolof baːx 'morals (of a nation)' (Wolof standard orthography:
baax y-)

This is why “bag” also means for us, a “moral code” or “value”


It is a myth that AAV is mutually intelligible with so-called Standard
English, a theory strongly promoted by linguist John McWhorter. This
exchange we're having is simple enough to illustrate that the two languages
are NOT necessarily mutually intelligible, requiring code-switching on the
part of native African-Americans who are actually speakers of the language
to be fully and properly understood.

Without songs and media, the gap in understanding (on the part of non-AAV
speakers) would be even wider.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Margaret Lee <
0000006730deb3bf-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:

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> James Brown's 1965 hit, "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag," refers to learning
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> w dances.Much of my research involves the study of African American
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> , especially its=C2=A0impact on mainstream American English and popular
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> --Margaret Lee
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> Thank you for letting me know.
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> The OED provides the following reasoning for the AAV term "bag": *Meaning
> "person's area of interest or expertise" is 1964, from African-American
> vernacular...probably via notion of putting something in a bag."*
>
> I offer the following definition (as a native speaker) and the following
> etymologies as a researcher:
>
> *bag* *n* one's own quality; one's own skill; one's own talent; one's own
> gift; one's specialty; one's own area of expertise; one's job; one's
> "thing"; a part of one's personality or make-up. [African origin: Wolof
> *ba=CB=90x=C9=94=CB=90* 'to possess one's own quality or gift' (DFW); 'to
> h=
> ave (something)
> as a customary activity or practice' (JLD) (Wolof standard orthography:
> *baaxoo*) *=E2=99=A2* ultimately* from* Wolof *ba=CB=90x* 'habit';
> 'custom'=
> ;
> 'tradition'; 'a traditionally done thing' (Wolof standard orthography:
> *baax** g-*); *Cf.* Wolof *fekka baxa* 'special'; 'specially'; *ku fekka
> baax* 'one who has a specialty'; *m=C3=B2o ko fekka baax* 'It is his/her
> specialty' (DFW)
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>
> I'd like to see the field of research into AAV improved, taken more
> seriously, and the "Cry Wolof" myth put to rest once and for all.
>
> Please note: If the formatting is lost via the mailing list server, one can
> simply go to the Preview document to find the original:
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> Case-for-Wolof-Etymologies#page=3D8
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Salikoko S. Mufwene <
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> > I had no problem with the original link.
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> > Sali.
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> > On 3/8/2016 10:23 AM, Z Rice wrote:
> > > Thanks, Mark; could you please let me know which link is not working
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> > > you? I tried all of them, btw, and they work for me. Let me know which
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> > >> Clicking on that link brings up
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> > >> Mark Mandel
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> > >> On Mar 8, 2016 9:20 AM, "Z Rice" <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Good Morning to All,
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> > >>> I recently published a critique on the myth of "Crying Wolof" and a
> > study
> > >>> on Wolof retentions or "Wolofisms" in the United States. This study
> > >>> includes the actual origin of 'hip', along with 'shuck', 'dig' and
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> > >>> preview of the study. Readers can access the preview document by
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