[Ads-l] WOTY? The p-word

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Oct 9 10:53:10 EDT 2016


> On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> 
> Finally, I see what I've been missing (in addition to evening sports results) with the New England edition of the NY Times.  Its page one for Saturday, Oct. 8, has the Trump tape story as the second lead, columns 1-3, with the headline "Trump Brags on 2005 Tape of Groping Women" and a mere four and a fraction paragraphs.

Yeah, last night when I put in the title of that article from my print edition under the byline Patrick Healy and Alan Rappeport with the below title into the Times search engine, it converted to an electronic piece under the title "Donald Trump Apology Caps Day of Outrage Over Lewd Tape", with three different authors and with "fuck" where Ben said it was.   On the print edition I have, "pussy" is on the continuation and "fuck" not at all.  They probably won't even offer me a rebate.

LH

>  An illustration in Ben's article shows the first page of the "Late Edition" (perhaps it should be called the "Later than the New England Edition Edition"), with the story as the lead, in columns 5--6, the (stronger?) headline "Tape Reveals Trump Boast About Groping Women", and space allowed for a subhead.
> 
> And the texts (as far as I can read of the Late Edition) are different.  In particular, the bedding of the Late Edition can be deduced -- its story's first sentence refers to Trump's "videotaped early Saturday" apology.
> s
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> My edition has "bitch" and "pussy" on the first page, but "fuck" is relegated to the continuation.  A comment by Colin Jones in Ben's article says "fuck" was on the front page.
> 
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> 
>      From: Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM>
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU 
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] WOTY? The p-word
> 
> Check out the Strong Language blog for more on the media's handling of
> Trump's expletives. So far there have been posts by Colleen Barry and me,
> with more to come.
> 
> My post:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__stronglang.wordpress.com_2016_10_08_a-2Dbanner-2Dday-2Dfor-2Dprofanity_&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=VbWfP7M2N66-eCkSu5QlDVsEL1-e99Ue4cuoqfrI8yE&s=um9UttnKnUX-xJzslFxa5W7SgwRIRYMJfMZW6FdT8oU&e= 
> Colleen's post:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__stronglang.wordpress.com_2016_10_08_pussy-2Don-2Da-2Dhot-2Dtrump-2Dmic_&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=VbWfP7M2N66-eCkSu5QlDVsEL1-e99Ue4cuoqfrI8yE&s=3J8nvDOJmGlA5KSd7-wkA2wFkVshCSiWiitjj2HXf7E&e= 
> 
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> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Is there now no unprintable N-word?  In one of its articles today, the NY
>> Times printed in full tit, pussy, and fuck.  (Although the F-word -- and
>> the N-word -- have appeared not infrequently before.  I haven't searched
>> for the T-word or the P-word.)
>> 
>> Joel
>>       From: Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM>
>>   To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>   Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 5:29 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [ADS-L] WOTY? The p-word
>> 
>> Yup.  Not as if he failed to wear an American Flag pin on his lapel.
>> 
>> The Guardian here (as well as cheerfully printing "pussy" and "fuck"
>> unasterisked) published a full transcript of his (two?) apologies -- truly
>> jaw-dropping.
>> 
>> I found the apologies more unnerving than the original (linguistically)
>> banal
>> material -- he *knew* he was saying that, and that people would be
>> watching?
>>   Huh ....
>> 
>> Still, for what it's worth, it's given a few more upper-echelon Elephants
>> an
>> excuse to desert the drowning rat.
>> 
>> I'm reminded of Robert Henryson's fable of "The Puddock and the Mouse".
>> 
>> R.
>> 
>>> 
>>>     On 08 October 2016 at 22:00 Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     >Dream on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     A woman who hosts a Republican radio talk show on explained to CNN
>> that if
>>>     the video had been made in the past few weeks, it would be troubling.
>> But
>>>     it was eleven years ago, and Mr. T---p has changed.
>>> 
>>>     A middle-aged woman who supports T---p told CNN what she thinks of the
>>>     video. A slight paraphrase of her answer:
>>> 
>>>     "Donald Trump is an American man! That's how men talk! Why are you
>> holding
>>>     him to a higher standard?"
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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