[Ads-l] Where are the PC police?

Robin Hamilton robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Sat Sep 17 20:41:12 EDT 2016


I should have said, the whole point of my last post, that even in the UK, even
in Scotland, the badge Jon refers to read "Chicken Little [sic] Was Right".

Even when we knew better.

Very much a sixties sort of scene, in origin at least.

R.

> 
>     On 18 September 2016 at 01:29 Robin Hamilton
> <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
> 
> 
>     It's odd ... Not so much that "Chicken Licken Was Right" doesn't sound
> right,
>     but *why* it doesn't sound right.
> 
>     Chicken Licken is embedded in the rhyme-cascade of Chicken Licken, Henny
> Penny,
>     Ducky Lucky, Goosy Loosey ... Foxy Loxy, whereas Chicken Little [sic] is
>     detachable.
> 
>     As to why Chicken Licken in England whereas Chicken Little in America.
> *That* I
>     dunno. The when but not the why.
> 
>     Way it goes.
> 
>     Robin
> 
>     >
>     > On 18 September 2016 at 00:34 Jim Parish <jparish at SIUE.EDU> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > The Turtles released a song by that title in 1967. (It's not one of
>     > their better songs....)
>     >
>     > Jim Parish
>     >
>     > On 9/17/2016 6:32 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>     > > In the year 1968 I purchased, in NYC, a novelty button that read,
>     > > "CHICKEN
>     > > LITTLE WAS RIGHT."
>     > >
>     > > It has served me well ever since.
>     > >
>     > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Robin Hamilton <
>     > > robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >> It's worse than that, even, Wilson, since there's a degree of
>     > >> gender-bending
>     > >> involved in making the protagonist male:
>     > >>
>     > >> I quote myself from some long-ago notes:
>     > >>
>     > >> << The second version of the narrative to be written down [the
>     > >> earliest
>     > >> version is Scots, and begins with a hen], with the initial figure now
>     > >> a
>     > >> younger
>     > >> barnyard fowl named Chicken Licken, was that of James Orchard
>     > >> Halliwell-Philips
>     > >> (as he was finally known by the end of his life), Shakespearean
>     > >> scholar,
>     > >> and
>     > >> anthologist of nursery rhymes and folk tales. Halliwell-Philips
>     > >> introduces
>     > >> Chicken Licken in his 1849 anthology. It is here for the first time
>     > >> that
>     > >> the
>     > >> protagonist is named Chicken Licken, while it is now an acorn [not a
>     > >> pea,
>     > >> as in
>     > >> the earlier Scottish version] which falls on the creature’s head:
>     > >>
>     > >> “As Chicken-Licken went one day to the wood, an acorn fell upon her
>     > >> poor
>     > >> bald
>     > >> pate, and she thought the sky had fallen. So she said she would go
>     > >> and
>     > >> tell the
>     > >> king that the sky had fallen …”
>     > >>
>     > >> This was the version which was to dominate the British strand of the
>     > >> tale. >>
>     > >>
>     > >> Or so I once seem to have averred.
>     > >>
>     > >> As to why she's called Chicken Little in America ... well, children,
>     > >> that's
>     > >> another story.
>     > >>
>     > >> Robin Hamilton
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > >>> On 17 September 2016 at 20:44 Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>     > >>>
>     > >>>
>     > >>> Chicken Little (2005) - IMDb
>     > >>> www.imdb.com/title/tt0371606/
>     > >>> IMDb
>     > >>> Rating: 5.8/10 - ‎64,469 votes
>     > >>> Animation · After ruining _his_ reputation with the town, a
>     > >> courageous
>     > >>> _chicken_ must come to the rescue of _his_ fellow citizens when
>     > >> aliens
>     > >>> start an invasion.
>     > >>>
>     > >>>
>     > >>> When did chickens - not to mention honeybees, wasps, hornets, cows,
>     > >> etc. -
>     > >>> become *male*? No less a light than Seth MacFarlane has even
>     > >> portrayed
>     > >>> bulls as having udders.
>     > >>>
>     > >>> Is it becoming the case that, in English, _male_ v. _female_ is
>     > >> relevant
>     > >>> only WRT personkind?
>     > >>>
>     > >>> --
>     > >>> -Wilson
>     > >>> -----
>     > >>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint
>     > >> to
>     > >>> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>     > >>> -Mark Twain
>     > >>>
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